BATFE entrapment attempt on this website?

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Some of you may recall that I recently bought a BERSA from a co-worker who had been diagnosed with ALS. Many of you sent me private messages expressing condolences and describing your own experiences with this tragic condition. I thank you all for your genuine and sincere concern.

Today, I got another private message, which I quote below exactly as I got it, along with my reply:

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Hi,

I just learned about your friend and my prayers go out to her.
At this difficult for her time she needs all the help she can get and, I think, buying her gun was a very nice gesture.

1 I am writing this message because recently I came across a very interesting video on youtube where some guy buried a Glock 21 in dirt for two years and the gun still fired fine.
[urlxxxxxxxxxxxx]

2 Here is another quite disturbing video about the things that are going on in NY right now. [urlxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

3 A lot of NYC gun owners are not aware that when they apply for a handgun permit in NYC they give the police permission to search their house whenever they want and inspect, read 'take away' their firearm(s). All those sad facts gave me an idea to bury a Glock of my own in case the situation in NY gets even worst. I hope some day I will move out from NY to some other state but for now I have to accept things as they are and be prepared.
For now, I decided to buy a Glock 21 in .45 ACP, put it in my stash along with AR15 and some other stuff, and bury it.

If your friend decides to help me with this little project I provide her with a copy of my DL, CCW, the bill of sale and I am offering her $1000 for a new Glock 21. I will pay for the shipping too. For obvious reasons I am not going to register the gun with NYPD so, sending the gun to FFL is out of question. This is my email in case she decides to help me with the project:
xxxxxxxxxxx

This is our family website if she wants to see who she is dealing with:
xxxxxxxxxxxx My wife is a classical composer and I am a retired music teacher.

The music that you can hear on our site is ours.

I wish the best for you and your friend

<<name>>

My response:

<<name>> - - -

No play on this end. My friend has more things to worry about right now. She may or may not know the applicable laws, but I do, and what you propose clearly violates a number of federal and state laws.

Thanks for your expression of concern for my friend, but if you were really concerned, you would not try to make her an accessory to a series of felonies.

Has the BATFE sunk so low that you've had to resort to efforts to entrap people who are going through such tough times? FWIW, her sale to me was fully in conformance with federal and Florida laws.

Not a nice try.

- - - Yoda
 
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I'm afraid I don't see any proof this is the BATFE. There are plenty of unscrupulous individuals out there, what makes you think this isn't one of them?

Either way, you should report the PM so we can remove the user. Trying to purchase a firearm illegally is certainly grounds for a ban.
 
Interesting. I'm not saying it's not the BATFE, and I'm not saying they wouldn't try it either, but what leaves you to believe it IS in fact the BATFE? Since you've already made this public, I'm also curious as to how many posts the person had if you're willing to share.
 
I'm afraid I don't see any proof this is the BATFE.
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No proof but... a real dummy would only hint at the illegalities proposed. A set-up makes sure to spell it out so that it is very clear that the sale is illegal. THIS is obviously a set-up. It may not be the ATF,it may be the Brady Bunch,Bloombergs minions or even a "news" expose'. It definitely is something to steer clear of. My money would be on it being the BATFE.
 
He seems too well-spoken to just be that stupid, so I'm betting BATFE or Bloomburg's goon.

If he really wanted the sort, and was so willing to break federal law, it would be much easier and less risky for him to get a fake ID and find someone to do a ftf sale.

Edit: Like Jimmy above said, no real criminal would make it so obvious. Make sure this hits the NRA with your suspicions, maybe a few news sources. It's an obvious fishing trip.
 
Wow, I can smell fish right through my monitor. I had a suspect PM from a user with only 20 posts about a gun I am trying to sell, but this one of yours is way over the top.
 
First, I doubt it would be the BATFE, but who really knows. Just follow the law, and it becomes a mute point.

Second, always report any and all illegal attempts at THR to one of the moderators.

Geno
 
Why BATFE?

Well, the message has a "core" that consists of numbered paragraphs, and this core is entirely unrelated to the tacked-on lead and end paragraphs. It just looks like there's a standard invitation to commit a crime that is being sent to a number of different people who are in different circumstances.

Second, the guy who purportedly wrote the note says he's already got an AR-15 in NY state, so I assume he already knows how to manage to acquire contraband there. He could presumably use the same techniques and people without involving some complete stranger. Offering money to a stranger to do essentially the same thing over again is completely illogical.

And why would someone ask anyone who is going through such a rough time to get involved in some conspiracy like this? I assume music teachers have more heart. Sounds like some government goon to me.

- - - Yoda
 
For those who asked...

The guy who sent the note joined THR today, and he hadn't posted any public messages. It's almost like this was the very first thing he did on this site, unless he tried to do similar things with other people before me.

Ask yourself: When you read about someone being diagnosed with ALS, was your first thought, "I think I'll contact her and see if she wants to help me violate the law so I can add to her misery by sending her to jail for whatever remains of her life?"

- - - Yoda
 
I dont see anything that points to ATF and I would hope they have better things to do with their time than send stupid PMs to people. This could have originated in Taiwan or Nigeria for all anyone knows.
 
For those of us who are ignorant of the laws or aren't so slick can I ask whats sepcifcally the guy was propositioning or admitting to doing that was illegal?
 
Well, it would have been a straw purchase and an illegal transfer across state lines on the federal side. No telling how many NY state and NYC laws it would have broken. I would lean more towards this being one of Bloomberg's antics than ATF.
 
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If your friend decides to help me with this little project I provide her with a copy of my DL, CCW, the bill of sale and I am offering her $1000 for a new Glock 21. I will pay for the shipping too. For obvious reasons I am not going to register the gun with NYPD so, sending the gun to FFL is out of question. This is my email in case she decides to help me with the project:
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In the name of John Moses Browning, and all that is unholy, how stupid do they think we are?:eek:
 
I dont see anything that points to ATF and I would hope they have better things to do with their time than send stupid PMs to people.
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They don't. They are a government agency that is struggling to justify their own existence. What makes them dangerous, and not just a waste of tax payer money, is that they're a federal law enforcement agency.

Still, my money would be on this being a Bloomberg goon, especially given the NYC part.
 
If I read the 2nd amendment correctly, ownership of small arms should not be regulated by any government entity which means their laws are what are illegal.
 
That's creepy, I would have had to sit on that one for a minute. But either way, whether he was an agent or not, that would have been very unsettling. I think his references to "needing help with this project" were the most despicable, as that was the key part of the proposition that would have made your ailing friend the most culprable, as it would have have made her look like an accessory and "involved" in a "project"(comission of a crime). That's grimy as all hell, either way, I'd at the very least have a mod get the guy tossed, or report it to the authorities and it could come back to bite the guy in the ass. He definitely wasn't very subtle. Terrorist?
 
Did he ask if that Glock has a shoulder thing that goes up?

( ignore, report to mods.)
 
Quote:"that "Project" is going to be portrayed as a CONSPIRACY, which in fact it would be"-
Yeah, I said commission of a crime, for lack of a BETTER word, or in other words, DEEP SHAT!!! but thank you for clarifying that :)
 
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