Beer at Gun Club

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No. It just depends on how soon after you had your last drink when you are tested.
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No, it depends on the amount of alcohol you ingest, your body weight and your metabolism. One beer does not drive you to .08 unless you're a tiny little person or have some serious health problems.

http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm

http://www.iowaabd.com/alcohol/bac_chart/bac_chart.jsp

http://pathwayscourses.samhsa.gov/aaap/aaap_3_pg4_pop1.htm

This business of a grown man having .08 after a single beer is bravo sierra.
 
beer at a gun club

I have been going to Rod and Gun clubs for many years, of the several I have been a member of , they all have had a bar. However the rules were very open and easy too follow. If a range was open, the bar was closed. There is no problem with siting around after a morning of shooting fun, with friends over a cold one and a burger to talk about just .. anything that came up. Or even shoot some darts or a game of pool. We even have a group of gray beards (I am one), who play domino's after a day at the range. Where is the problem ???? We are all adults and know the rules.:banghead:
 
No, it depends on the amount of alcohol you ingest, your body weight and your metabolism. One beer does not drive you to .08 unless you're a tiny little person or have some serious health problems.
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You are wrong. I blew into the tube. I know this for a fact. After it came down I gargled listerine for 1 minute and was 3 times the legal limit for over an hour. I could care less what your links say they are wrong as well.
 
No

I think we're talking about two different things.

We're saying your blood alcohol level will not be above .08 from one drink

You're saying a particular piece of equipment gives a reading of .08 from one drink (and it could be a faulty piece of equipment). Indicated, not actual. Most breathalyzer manufacturers say you're supposed to wait a certain amount of time after drinking/eating before administering a test.

Which is more important...? You would think actual, but...

Perhaps this points out how stupid some of the laws are.
 
beer on range

i have been to fund raisers at gun clubs . lots of gun raffels and drinking. the shooting range it self is closed.
 
You are wrong. I blew into the tube. I know this for a fact. After it came down I gargled listerine for 1 minute and was 3 times the legal limit for over an hour. I could care less what your links say they are wrong as well.
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You should look at the links. This is basic biology. A grown man simply does not have .08 content after a beer. Listerine means nothing. The test you took must have been bogus, because there's no way you had .08 alch. content.
 
Guns and alcohol don't mix, just as all guns are always loaded.:rolleyes:

They mix just fine at my house. As long as I exercise a little common sense.

The hard, bright line you draw is that shooting is first, drinking is second, and alcohol doesn't come out until all the guns are put away. I've never had a problem with that.
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Don's right.
 
You should look at the links. This is basic biology. A grown man simply does not have .08 content after a beer. Listerine means nothing. The test you took must have been bogus, because there's no way you had .08 alch. content.
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I did look. I am not arguing the biology. I am saying that 99% of your DWI conviction comes from the breathalyzer. The device will show you to be over the limit if you blow too soon after you drink.

As for listerine meaning nothing, well just do the test after gargling. If you are good enough friends with an honest cop who will entertain the notion.
 
some might closed minded people in here.


I have shot clays and pistol at gun clubs all over the country. Only two stand out that had no liquor. TWO out of 100?

No one was drunk, no one was grabbing at their gun when someone whistled at their wife, people came, shot their guns, got some food and refreshment and everyone went home safe. I belong to three different clubs, from the little townie club that has honor system beer and pop in an unlocked fridge, to the snobby place with a classy restaurant and bar, with white table cloths and lockerrooms as you have to have a tie on to eat in the clubroom.

Only once have i seen someone have too many when the ranges were open, and that person was barred from the grounds


I also know the best pistol shot i know shoots matches after taking one small snoot. he says less than one ounce make his scores ten percent or so higher in bullseye. kills the shakes. cams the nerves and no he is not a drunk.
claims the russian bullseye olympic shooters were always taking downers for the same reason
 
Ok let me state it again. I was responding to the OP when I said it was a bad idea.
In Texas{ where the OP is from} it is illegal to have any detectable amount of alcohol in your system while in possession of a firearm.

That being the case, why in the world would you take the chance of getting caught afterward and giving the rest of us a black eye.{ not to mention loss of the gun{s} you are caught with in your possession. Most counties in Texas have as part of any plea involving firearms the "voluntary"relinquishing of the firearms in question}


If you are on your own 40 acres and pose no danger to anyone else,have fun. It is still a bad idea.
 
Surprisingly, I really don't have a problem with someone drinking A beer even while shooting. Or driving a car or almost anything else for that matter.
It is when that one beer gets carried over into another and yet another etc...
I don't think it would be a real issue except for some people can't seem to do stuff like drink beer in moderation. It is too easy for them to get wrapped up in doing more drinking than what they are supposed to be doing and most of them don't even realize it until they are buzzed or drunk.
So looking it it from that point, I would have to say that it would be best to leave beer out of the range unless everyone agrees to lock up the guns and has a ride home just in case of overindulgence.
 
I think this topic boils down to two questions:

1) If someone is responsible enough to own a firearm, then are they responsible enough to consume alcohol?

2) Can alcohol and firearms be responsibly enjoyed together?

I believe the answer is that some people can answer yes to both of these questions, some people cannot answer yes to either one and some can only answer yes to one question or the other. The largest variable is the person. Each person has different capabilities.

Making a generic rule to satisfy everyone probably cannot occur.

The truth is that some order of prevention of accidents is an obligation of all responsible people. Either placing a limit on alcohol consumption or an outright ban around firearms is a logical and legitimate attempt to mitigate the potential opportunity for accidents.

If you want to drink and shoot or drink and operate machinery, I'd rather you didn't do it around me.

There are definitely ways to responsibly enjoy both activities. In my opinion, enjoying alcohol should be after firearms are used and when you won't be operating machines for a period of time until alcohol has enough time to metabolize out of the body.

Jim
 
It is about the people involved, and since you can not control the actions of others, you have to act on the side of caution.

I think that "Guns out, bar closed, guns put away, bar open" is the best policy.

I was at a club in MD at night on a weeknight. The club opens for shooting at 6:30pm. There are rules on the wall and explicitly states no alcohol at any time. However, there were a couple of rowdy people who brought there own. It wasn't just beer. They were tossing shots of Jim Beam. One of the guys (the one with the biggest mouth) stopped shooting as soon as he started drinking. The other loud mouth continued to drink and shoot. After he made more than a few rude comments and stumbled, I packed up and left. I just didn't feel safe with him dragging around a gun in between shots. Call it personal preference or overactive worry wart. I did not know him, could not make a call as to whether he is safe or not.
 
To Hoji

In High School over 30 years ago we had the police come to driver ed class.

He took one student had him blow into the breathalyzer result = sober

Then he did a squirt of mouthwash and blew into breathalyzer - result so far over the limit he was medically DEAD!

Mouthwash has alcohol in it - even if you do not drink a beer or mouthwash just swishing it in your mouth and spitting it out will give a high alcohol readout.

What are you so anti alcohol? Me thinks tho dost protest to loudly? As I said before every argument you make is used by the anti gun crowd about firearms.
 
What are you so anti alcohol? Me thinks tho dost protest to loudly? As I said before every argument you make is used by the anti gun crowd about firearms
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Where pray tell did I ever say I was against alcohol.
Now mods, I am going low road.Delete away.

If you had bothered to read my response to the OP{who lives in TEXAS} I pointed out that ANY DETECTABLE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL WHILE IN POSSESSION OF A FIREARM IS A CRIME.

What part of IT IS A BAD IDEA TO BREAK YOUR STATES LAW do you not get?

:banghead:
 
Hoji...

No offense meant Bro, but the fact is, it's next to impossible for the average American to make it through a day without bustin' a law or five. Just the way *they* (heh heh) have it set up.
Hence, since I'm a criminal by default, I'll apply my own brand of morality and pick and choose which laws I break in addition to the laws that I unknowingly or involuntarily rupture.
I suspect that many of us do.

Biker:)
 
An excellent argument was pointed out about the "weak link" who might drink too much and do something irresponsible.

Given the risk presented by someone who if you accept hoji's information would be intoxicated by just one beer well that's too much of a risk to take.

Legal liability if someone has a beer at the club and drives home is frightening.

And while it might be an imposition on those responsible, mature adults who can control themselves, know their limits and put firearms safety ahead of their desire to have a cold one that's just too bad and it will be worth it...

IF IT SAVES JUST ONE LIFE!

Where have we heard that before and why?:rolleyes:

There's not much difference between a gun banner and a booze banner.
 
If you had bothered to read my response to the OP{who lives in TEXAS} I pointed out that ANY DETECTABLE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL WHILE IN POSSESSION OF A FIREARM IS A CRIME.
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B.S.

So what you're saying is drunk at home is a crime if you have a gun cabinet that is not empty?

Sorry, I lived in Houston for a while, and learned to drink there. Seldom did so without firearms on the property.

*burp*
 
B.S.

So what you're saying is drunk at home is a crime if you have a gun cabinet that is not empty?

Sorry, I lived in Houston for a while, and learned to drink there. Seldom did so without firearms on the property.
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Oh, I'm sorry, YOU lived in Houston "for a while", AND learned to drink there.:scrutiny: I did not realize your credentials.I mean, golly, you lived in Houston for a while. Not to mention you learned to drink there.:scrutiny:
Just golly.
 
While zero tolerance may equate to zero brains to some, it is often the only policy that works in practical application.

Granted, making money from alcoholic beverage sales is very lucrative, but comes with many responsibilities.

Some questions I would have to ponder before going ahead are:

If your club decides to sell alcohol, who will monitor consumption?

Who will decide that a patron has had too much to drink and cut him off?

Who will try to reason with a patron who says "I only had one beer, can't I shoot"?

Will your club be required to obtain a liquor license?

Will you have to endorse your insurance policy?

Will you have to answer to the media if someone drives home impaired and has an auto accident? Or, if someone has a negligent discharge, and injures or kills someone or themselves?

How many new shooters will be put off by the presence of alcohol at a gun club? Let's face it folks, we aren't getting any younger. Attracting new shooters to our sport is imperative if we are going to survive.
 
after letting my membership lapse some 7 years ago, I rejoined my local rod and gun club last year.

Things have really changed. They always emphasized safety....but they are TURBO safety conscious now. They've had NRA consultants out several times in the last few years to consult on range safety and have put a big investment into improvements....higher burms, cease fire lights, heavy timber lane dividers, better rules, etc....

I like it a lot....people are considerate and very safety conscious.

When I went through my range orientation again, the trainer told me the club knew that they risked being shut down if they had a serious accident or fatality (the condo./appartment complex next door...which was built years after the rod and gun came into being....has been squawking to shut down the range non-stop....they'd love to turn public opinion against the club and get a change pushed through the zoning ordinance)

Just imagine what kind of P.R. you'll get when someone blows positive on their breathalizer after a shooting accident.
 
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