Beginner Rifle: 10/22

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So I take a lot of new people shooting. Only problem is my only true beginner gun is my ruger mkII...which jams a lot. I'd like to teach them with a 22 lr rifle. Because a) rifles are tougher to accidentally sweep people with and b) when I'm paying for ammo, they'll be shootin' 22 :)
So I'd like to get a 10/22 because everyone loves them.
I was thinking of putting a hakko tac-1 red dot on it.

Anyone disagree with my idea?

atek3
 
So long as you control the magazine, I'd feel okay with teaching beginners the basic and finer points of weapons handling. They get treated like Barny Fife-one cartridge in the pocket until they can prove to me they are capable.

Once they are comfortable with the rules, just load and fire!
 
Eithe rclean the mark II or get a new mag.

10-22 is a get little rifle. I use a Remington 514 because it is single shot. I guess I was to stress hitting the target rather than seeing how fast they can shoot up a brick of my ammo! I find that the sigle shot enhances the safety of the situation.
 
I think the Tac-1 will sit a little high on it, if you keep the standard stock.

Iron sight should be just fine.

-Pat
 
I think a 10/22 is an excellent choice and I have never experienced any problems shooting over 2,000 rounds.
 
I agree Ruger 10/22 is a great choice and can be very accurate without spending a ton of money:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=131138

I also agree your Mark II either needs cleaning or a new mag.

One note about the 10/22 is the rotary magazine often has trouble with the recent production Remington "Golden Bullet" in the 525 round bulk packs :(

--wally.
 
I agree with nico. It's always good to know how to work with iron sights. If you can swing it, get a bolt gun in .17HMR also and scope that.
 
Dunno, nico & hksw are correct *but* -- for making real beginners feel good, I think the red dot is a better idea. They'll hit more because the red dot is so easy to understand. There are no issues about how to align the sights, no issues about what you focus on -- just put the dot on the target and press the trigger. People feel good when they hit their target, and making new shooters feel good about shooting is a *very* good thing. Besides, if factory rifles are any indication, most shooters don't want or use iron sights in any case. :(
 
You can always let them use the red dot for a while and then dismount it so they can use the iron sights.

Iron sights should always be available. I eventually want to start modding my stock 10/22 and I've already decided that even if I buy an aftermarket bull barrel it will have to be one that has iron sights.
 
The problem with 10/22 is most people want to turn them into special projects. There is so much available for them after market you just can't leave them alone.

My advice either pick up a Marlin 60 at WallyMart or hit the used gun racks and find a older model. The advantage of a older model is the wood is usually nicer and the trigger group is metal instead of plastic. Lots of times you can find them with (cheap)scopes on them for under a hundred bucks. Last couple I've picked up were $75 with tax OTD.

On your mkII you should send it back to Ruger(lifetime no questions asked). Tell them your problems and let them make it right. I have a 22/45 mkII that I love. Had a few problems at first but now that I've put a few thousand rounds through it no problems.
 
I wouldn't choose a semi-auto for teaching beginners. Even loading one round at a time. I would want a bolt gun... loaded one round at a time.
 
I eventually want to start modding my stock 10/22 and I've already decided that even if I buy an aftermarket bull barrel it will have to be one that has iron sights.
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does such a thing exist? I feel the same way, but it's not worth it to me to pay to have iron sights put on the barrel when a suitable scope can be had for under $100.
 
I second the .22LR bolt gun. More accurate and easier to keep clean.

WalMart has several priced right:

Marlin 980V Heavy Barrel @ $212
Marlin 925 @ $135
Savage MkII F on sale for $99 (reg $122)

I'm going over today to pick one up myself! Think it'll be the 925...

Check out Rimfire Central for more info.
 
Ruger 10/22 would be a great choice. Load single for the newbies and when you're shooting it load 10rnds. You have many options available to customize the rifle to how you want it, if you choose down the line. If the Los Altos gun club still has their rimfire range, I believe they allow rimfire rapid fire at those swarms of attacking pepsi cans. I don't think you can go wrong with a 10/22.

One suggestion I have is to purchase the Volquartsen Exact Edge Extractor for both your 10/22 and Ruger MkII. That little piece of metal has saved me hours of frustration. I had a 10/22 and Ruger MkII that would fail to extract and jam. The new extractor fixed both problems. I'd suggest Win Dynapoint from Walmart as cheap and clean shooting fodder. Accurate, yet doesn't gum up your action like Thunderbolts or Blazer.
 
I eventually want to start modding my stock 10/22 and I've already decided that even if I buy an aftermarket bull barrel it will have to be one that has iron sights.
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I think I remember seeing a pic somewhere (rimfirecentral?) where a guy somehow bolted on a sight from an AR onto his bull barrel and used a rear peep sight.
 
I just bought a used Ruger 10/22 with a scope for $140, went to another gun shop and bought a 20" Green Mountain fluted stainless Bull barrel for $80 and a really nice raised monty carlo wood stock for $135. took the scope off and put it on my kids Savage single shot bolt action .22, and put my 4-12X40MM Leupold on the 10/22. bought several different brands of .22 ammo and went to the range. out of all the "good stuff" I bought the gun loves Remington "Golden Bullets" bulk ammo. at 50 yards it puts these in the same hole consistantly. but the magazine that came with the gun was jamming on the 5th round every time. I picked up some of the "Hotlips" 25 rounders and this solved the jamming problem. I just got through installing a trigger kit and have way too much money in it... LOL But the dang thing is so fun to shoot!
I'll be going back out to the range soon to see how the trigger feels, I should be able to give the local Squirrel and Marmot population a hard time this summer... Clint
 
.17 HMR? Yeah that's the ticket for cheap teaching newbies to shoot.

Alaskacajun, try some of the Wolf Match ammo about $26 for a brick of 500. I'm getting dime sized 10-shot groups at 50 yrds with mine.

Of the <$10 per 500 ammo I was getting 50-yd 10 shot groups I couldn't quite cover with a quarter with Federal Champion (Academy had it on sale for $7 per 500!) About the same as I was getting with the Remington Golden bullet but without the feeding problems -- I like the profile of the stock 10-round mag in the gun.

--wally.
 
Yeah Wally, I like the profile of the 10 rounders too, but picked up a couple of the Hotlips for plinkin'! As soon as I go to the gun shop I'll be pickin' up some 10's... Back in '96 I had a 10/22 that I built similar to this one. I bought a steel 50 round drum from the Shotgun News and had one of those "BMF?" gatlin gun cranks on it, man would that thing throw some lead.... wish I could find another one of those mags again... Clint
 
I believe you can still get the 50-round "conveyer-belt" drum mags. Mine are a PITA to load but a boatload of fun with the BMF Activator crank.

I believe you can still get the mags, but the price has doubled to about $80 :( and were over $100 (if you could find them) while the ban was in effect.

Look for MGW Tear Drop Drum 10/22 magazine, www.copesdist.com

--wally.
 
My experience with Ramline would suggest don't count on it. Maybe they make them better now than they did pre-ban, but they could also be worse just to make a quick buck from pent-up demand..

The 30-round Ramline I have usually work OK if you keep them clean. Butler Creek "Hot Lip" and "Steel Lips" are IMHO the best aftermarket 10/22 mags. The "conveyer-belt" Tear Drop mags might get this rating if they weren't such a PITA to load.

--wally.
 
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