Hopefully this is in the right place. I'm trying to sell two of my rifles and my friend seemed interested. Ar15 Windham weaponry carbon fiber rifle with primary arms red dot on a cantilever mount. A box of hornady tap .223 . also has am a2 carrying handle and a truglo front sight post. And an m+m m10 ak with 3 mags and 200 rounds and a foregrip. The ar has 99 rounds through it as I've only taken it shooting once. And the ak has never been shot. I was asking 1200 for both with all the stuff but willing to come down as I'm reasonable. He says he can get the ak brand new for 300 and that he'd only pay half of what they were originally priced. Am I being unreasonable? His 300 deal turns out to be from a review where the observer wrote he had seen Wasr 10s 8 years ago going for 250-300.
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Vern Humphrey
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A thing is worth what a willing buyer will offer and what a willing seller will accept.
If YOU are willing to accept his offer, go for it. If you think it's too low, tell him no deal.
Personally, I'd break the pair up and sell separately. I'd also advertise -- our local paper has a "Guns for Sale" category in the classifieds.
If YOU are willing to accept his offer, go for it. If you think it's too low, tell him no deal.
Personally, I'd break the pair up and sell separately. I'd also advertise -- our local paper has a "Guns for Sale" category in the classifieds.
Jackal
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If your friend is knowingly trying to rip you off by telling you he can get a M+M AK for $300 new, then I'd reconsider him as a friend.... That AK is worth about $500 in like new condition. I have one, its a great rifle. I dont clean it, oil it or maintain it. I just use it and it keeps working.
If he can get a brand new AK for $300 tell him to buy it.
But am I being unreasonable in my price? I don't wanna come off as someone trying to take advantage of someone. Without myself being treated unfairly in this deal.
theotherwaldo
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A basic AR with no extras will run at least $700. A basic AK starts at about $500.
Sounds low to me.
Sounds low to me.
sappyg
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Can you ask your friend where I can get a WASR for $300? Those days are long gone.
I don't consider the OP being unreasonable but admittedly, I don't know much about the Windham. Accessories may add about $100 to the gun price.
If I were in the market I would be a buyer at 5 on the AK.
I don't consider the OP being unreasonable but admittedly, I don't know much about the Windham. Accessories may add about $100 to the gun price.
If I were in the market I would be a buyer at 5 on the AK.
He says the value drops a lot because I didn't have them in a gun safe with humidity control. I inspect them weekly for any sign of rust and I haven't seen anything.
sappyg
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Meh.... This sounds likes deal not Worth pursuing.
Reloadron
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I will make this as simple as possible,,,, NO!
Your asking price is more than fair. Your friend has the option of take it or leave it but I wouldn't come down a dime.
As to storage? That is BS unless the guns show signs of improper storage and rust. The guns are either clean or not.
I don't know you and I don't know your friend and I sure haven't seen and inspected the guns but it sounds like your friend (I use the word friend loosely) is trying to low ball you.
Just My Take....
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newfalguy101
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Your "friend" is trying to take advantage of you, I would suggest telling him to pound sand, but, that'll make you look as bad as him soooooooooo list it for sale locally and let somebody who is willing to pay a fair price buy em.
$1200 is NOT out of line, perhaps towards the high side, but, not out of line.
$1200 is NOT out of line, perhaps towards the high side, but, not out of line.
Where's a good place to try and sell them ? I'm not the best with computers.
newfalguy101
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I would list them here first in the marketplace.
If you don't want to ship the guns, just be sure your ad lists that you are looking for a face to face sale ONLY, be sure and list your state in the title.
Write up a good description and clearly list your prices, I would suggest listing them for sale separately and maybe offer a few bucks off if someone wants the whole shebang.
Pictures will go a long ways towards a successful sale, course if its local only, then if they are really interested they can always set up a time to take a look, I suppose.
If you don't want to ship the guns, just be sure your ad lists that you are looking for a face to face sale ONLY, be sure and list your state in the title.
Write up a good description and clearly list your prices, I would suggest listing them for sale separately and maybe offer a few bucks off if someone wants the whole shebang.
Pictures will go a long ways towards a successful sale, course if its local only, then if they are really interested they can always set up a time to take a look, I suppose.
Sam1911
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While I don't mean to be harmful to your relationship with your friend, I would be thinking hard about this friend right now.
He may be a little ignorant about the gun market, I guess. I could accept the $300 comment as simply being out of touch with the world. Fine.
Telling someone that you'll only pay no more than half of their new price is a bit more aggressively predatory, IMHO. Pay the price they're going for now on the open market, or come to some reasonable consideration, but to automatically discount a firearm in good condition FIFTY PERCENT just because it has been owned/fired -- and by a friend no less -- just seems dismissive and insulting.
And the line about the value dropping because you don't have a climate-controlled safe is just made-up, pure, grade A hogwash. That's the sort of phony-baloney line a shark feeds to a gullible newbie to snake money out of him. Might as well have told you that your Colt Python's only worth $200 because it's obviously broken -- the cylinder is spinning the wrong way!
All of this adds up, in my opinion, to someone REALLY trying to deliberately take advantage of you.
In any case I'd politely tell him, "Hey, that's fine, I don't need to sell these right now. Why don't you pick up one of those cheaper ones you've seen..." and let it drop.
I'd almost bet $50 he'll start coming back with counter-offers for more cash. Proof that he was trying to sucker you with a crazy low-ball offer.
He may be a little ignorant about the gun market, I guess. I could accept the $300 comment as simply being out of touch with the world. Fine.
Telling someone that you'll only pay no more than half of their new price is a bit more aggressively predatory, IMHO. Pay the price they're going for now on the open market, or come to some reasonable consideration, but to automatically discount a firearm in good condition FIFTY PERCENT just because it has been owned/fired -- and by a friend no less -- just seems dismissive and insulting.
And the line about the value dropping because you don't have a climate-controlled safe is just made-up, pure, grade A hogwash. That's the sort of phony-baloney line a shark feeds to a gullible newbie to snake money out of him. Might as well have told you that your Colt Python's only worth $200 because it's obviously broken -- the cylinder is spinning the wrong way!
All of this adds up, in my opinion, to someone REALLY trying to deliberately take advantage of you.
In any case I'd politely tell him, "Hey, that's fine, I don't need to sell these right now. Why don't you pick up one of those cheaper ones you've seen..." and let it drop.
I'd almost bet $50 he'll start coming back with counter-offers for more cash. Proof that he was trying to sucker you with a crazy low-ball offer.
This seems like solid advice, I posted them on the sale part of this forum, hopefully I'll get some bites. Actually found some pictures of the rifles, I hope that helps. 1150 for both , and 600 for the ak 700 with ar with all the stuff I have for them.While I don't mean to be harmful to your relationship with your friend, I would be thinking hard about this friend right now.
He may be a little ignorant about the gun market, I guess. I could accept the $300 comment as simply being out of touch with the world. Fine.
Telling someone that you'll only pay no more than half of their new price is a bit more aggressively predatory, IMHO. Pay the price they're going for now on the open market, or come to some reasonable consideration, but to automatically discount a firearm in good condition FIFTY PERCENT just because it has been owned/fired -- and by a friend no less -- just seems dismissive and insulting.
And the line about the value dropping because you don't have a climate-controlled safe is just made-up, pure, grade A hogwash. That's the sort of phony-baloney line a shark feeds to a gullible newbie to snake money out of him. Might as well have told you that your Colt Python's only worth $200 because it's obviously broken -- the cylinder is spinning the wrong way!
All of this adds up, in my opinion, to someone REALLY trying to deliberately take advantage of you.
In any case I'd politely tell him, "Hey, that's fine, I don't need to sell these right now. Why don't you pick up one of those cheaper ones you've seen..." and let it drop.
I'd almost bet $50 he'll start coming back with counter-offers for more cash. Proof that he was trying to sucker you with a crazy low-ball offer.
sam's post is spot on.
you could also try armslist if you wanted to keep it local.
value doesn't drop due to not being stored in a climate controlled location, unless there is obvious damage to the metal. that's one of the more ridiculous things i've heard. only paying half of what they cost new when they've barely been shot comes in at a close second.
you could also try armslist if you wanted to keep it local.
value doesn't drop due to not being stored in a climate controlled location, unless there is obvious damage to the metal. that's one of the more ridiculous things i've heard. only paying half of what they cost new when they've barely been shot comes in at a close second.
browningguy
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This guy is definitely not my idea of a friend, he's trying to rip you off.
Liberty1776
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This "friend" is not a friend. He's full of B.S. and he's also trying to screw you...
Your friend is trying to use you friendship as leverage to get a deal that is beneficial to him....to you, however, not so much. He's lowballing you, basically LYING to you by saying AKscan be had for $300, and also that value is reduced because of how they were stored. At this point, mostly out of spite...I'd refuse to sell them to him at ANY price. Guns, especially AKs and ARs aren't hard to get rid of. You can find a deal thats far more MUTUALLY beneficial than what your "friend" offered. The short of it is, he's trying to rip you off and doesn't seem to be above lying to accomplish the feat. I'd reevaluate just how worthy he is as a "friend" at this point.
Outlaw Man
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He sounds an awful lot like some of the dealers I've ran into at gun shows if you're trying to sell a gun, and at least they have to consider overhead and profit.
I could completely see him haggling with you over $100 at that price, but much more than that I'd start to question if he's planning to try to flip it for some extra cash.
In short, your prices sound very reasonable, to me. Good luck with the sale.
I could completely see him haggling with you over $100 at that price, but much more than that I'd start to question if he's planning to try to flip it for some extra cash.
In short, your prices sound very reasonable, to me. Good luck with the sale.
RetiredUSNChief
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Art Eatman
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Sorta reminds me of when I'd have a table at a gunshow and I'd see some guy walking along with some sort of Shiny Pretty.
I'd ask, "Did you just buy that lovely treasure, or are you trying to sell that old piece of junk?" If he'd just bought it, I'd agree that it was the neatest thing since sliced bread. If it was for sale, then the fun-argument began--but I never tried to shaft anybody; no point to it.
When a guy is trying to beat you down below market, he's not at all being friendly.
I'd ask, "Did you just buy that lovely treasure, or are you trying to sell that old piece of junk?" If he'd just bought it, I'd agree that it was the neatest thing since sliced bread. If it was for sale, then the fun-argument began--but I never tried to shaft anybody; no point to it.
When a guy is trying to beat you down below market, he's not at all being friendly.
Take a look at
www.floridaguntrader.com
It's like craigslist for guns, and I see you are in Orlando. Great for FTF transactions.
It's a pretty active place and free to register. Your asking price is probably below what others are listing for and would probably sell quickly, especially if you list separately. You can look around to get an idea of prices, but keep in mind a lot of them sit on there for a while unless they are desirable or a good deal.
AK's definitely can't be bought for $300 anymore, plenty of used WASR's and such on that site for $600 or more, but if you want to get rid of them a package deal might be the way to go but otherwise I think you could get more.
Then again
www.floridaguntrader.com
It's like craigslist for guns, and I see you are in Orlando. Great for FTF transactions.
It's a pretty active place and free to register. Your asking price is probably below what others are listing for and would probably sell quickly, especially if you list separately. You can look around to get an idea of prices, but keep in mind a lot of them sit on there for a while unless they are desirable or a good deal.
AK's definitely can't be bought for $300 anymore, plenty of used WASR's and such on that site for $600 or more, but if you want to get rid of them a package deal might be the way to go but otherwise I think you could get more.
Then again
henschman
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Hell, if you wanted to be nice to him, you could sell both for $900... that would be giving him a little break over what you could buy that stuff for on the open market... but I wouldn't go down too much below that or you're getting into screwing yourself territory. I say put them on Armslist for $1200 OBO, and settle for anywhere between there and $900. Somebody will buy them off you.
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