belligerent neighbor, police intervention

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Erik M

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At approximately 3am est the neighbor at the end of the one lane road i live on decided to start discharging a firearm. This immediately got the attention of my wife and myself, who turned off the lights and the television. I keep my Beretta 96 with me as a 'house gun' and my wife retrieved her 1911 from her lockbox. I also retrieved my AR15 carbine at some point. Looking out the door I could see my neighbor wandering around his dimly lit driveway, about 100 yards away from my property. It was at that time he shouldered some form of ''black rifle" and fired rapidly until his magazine was empty. He was shooting between my house and a 3rd neighbors house. I called the local state police barracks. I was advised not to go outside and not to make sudden movements or pull shades back from windows. I had my wife go to the other side of the house and check all the doors. The state police put me on hold and asked me to continue monitoring my neighbors movements. While on hold he fired an additional 20 rounds in the same direction. He then moved into a wooded area away from the street light. The dispatcher came back on the line and told me that both state and county law enforcement had staged thier gear and weapons at the junction of our road the the state highway and were seconds from the scene. At this time 6 state patrol cars and 3 county deputy cruisers came up the road, running dark, and I was through the dispatcher relaying info which house the individual was from and I indicated it was approx X yards directly in front of the lead car. All of the cruisers drove onto his yard and covered the front flank of his house in a semi circle pattern, at which time the homeowner turned off all lights on his property when he realized how many cops were in his yard. Once the dispatcher confirmed that contact was made with the suspect he told me I could get off the line and to stay down and out of harms way. There was a heated argument between law enforcement and the suspect, and I was praying every second that there would be no further gunfire. Shortly thereafter the patrol cars started leaving one by one, and when we checked this morning the front door of his house had some type of large orange notice on it and police tape stretched across it. It is amused he is one of the county lockups, charges unknown. In all, I feel we did the appropriate (observe, decide, act) do you all concur?
 
Something similar happened here a few years back. But it was a compund bow since he already had lost his gun ownership through previous legal trouble. Things are a bit more rural here, and th epolice had a hard time locating the address. He is the first white, old farmhouse on our road, I am the second. All ended well, but I have always wondered how it could have turned out. Sounds like you did the right thing, and everything went as well as could be expected.
 
I'm hard pressed to find any fault with your actions. One minor, minor point would be to find the best spot in your house that provides cover (ability to stop bullets) as opposed to concealment.

I have some strategicly placed bookshelves, member Plan2Live has a chimney (IIRC) as places to move to in case of incoming rounds.
 
While I'm sure this was not the entire story, I have two questions.
Is discharging a firearm at 3am violating any law?
Was the person discharging the firearm on his property and were the bullets impacting ong his property?
Not being argumentive, just wanted to know. I do agree that this type of behavior usually precedes something more aggressive.
 
yes, disturbing the peace and discharging a firearm in a negligent manner. myself and other neighbors witnessed him firing toward the main highway, his property is bordered on all sides by other residences (save for the road that runs between all of them and connects to the highway) . He was at the edge of his property line firing away from his home, rifle horizontal to ground, there was no possible way those rounds impacted anywhere on his property. Consensus among other neighbors today is that he overkilled some type of animal (bear, stray dog) and hid the evidence before the cops arrived. the light rain we had during the event would have helped him in that respect. The shell casings were still lying on the ground in the middle of the road today.
 
I thought that only happened around here. I'm guessing the idiot neighbor got into the booze (or other substance). It actually sounds like your LE handled it very well as did you. Glad no one was hurt.
 
You did good, now just be sure to watch your six quite closely for the foreseeable future, because you don't know when he will be released from lockup or what frame of mind he will be in once he is home. Hopefully nothing was said by responding officers that indicate where the call came from, you know what I mean..
I am glad things were handled appropriately and safely on your behalf. Please keep us up to speed as things do or don't progress.


Good luck
God speed
Happy shooting


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I don't know what kind of neighborhood you live in, i'm in the country with a few close neighbors but essentially pretty far out. Gun shots at nite are not uncommon.......but thats 1 or 2 maybe 3. If one of my neighbors close by started shooting at nite in excess, I think i'd go check it out if it was a 1 time thing. If it became a habit i'd go in the house.....wouldn't hear it anyway.

If I was in town or in a subdivision....i'd probably feel differently. Guess thats why I live where I do........sometimes I just get the burnin desire to be loud:) If he was breaking the law you were right to call the cops.........Knowing your neighbors is a good thing, if he's that close you should know who he is and if this behavior is warrented or crazy.

Around here, if I go out right now at 12:45am and fire off more than a couple rounds my phone may ring asking if everything is ok. I take that as a hint.
 
Do you live in a rural area? I was once camping with some friends and we stayed up talking till about 3ish when we heard some noise behind us a short way off in the woods. Among the four of us we had three sks, two 9mm pistols, a .40, a cetme, and a mossberg cruiser. We turned the flood lights on and there not 35 yards from us was a black bear cub! He must have smelled the bratwurst and thought he would join. We tried yelling at him but that only encouraged him to run 10 or 15 feet before turning back around. Finally I took my sks and fired several rounds in rapid succession into our backstop. That got the bear cub to run back to momma. 30 minutes later, game warden and several local sheriffs deputies raced into our camp site in six different vehicles. After 45 minutes of them searching for drugs they let us tell them our story. They left with a good laugh.
 
I raise sheep. If my neighbors hear a shot in the night they mutter, "Coyote...", rollover and go back to sleep.
 
You did great.

Think about hard cover like Al T said.

Around here a one shot is not uncommon. If it is something requiring more than one a courtesy call is in order.
 
"The shell casings were still lying on the ground in the middle of the road today."

Being the brass hound that I am, I would have been out there scrounging all the cases up to reload! Leaving them there is an abomination.
 
I live in a rural area. I've only heard shots at night when the road hunters were spot lighting deer in my front field, or my neighbor's field. They come and go pretty quickly. I doubt the county police could get here quickly enough to catch them. Still, if the shots seem too close, I'll call 911, grab weapons and move to the basement, where the walls have 6" of reinforced concrete.

Most police I've met, including my brother, don't mind being called on something like this. It's their job. They have the authority and in-depth support to stop these lunatics. I have good neighbors, but when they endager people, the neighbor factor zeroes out.
 
You did it Textbook : you armed yourself, checked the security of your home and called the Police. You observed and gave the Police the information for them to make a safe interaction with the suspect.
 
I admit right now I only read your opening post, and none of the responses.

I guess the only question I'd have of you is how well you knew this neighbor beforehand? Did you know his name? Have you spoken to him beforehand? Could you describe how he looked by your knowledge of his physical characteristics? Did you know anything of this man that could be of help before you called the police? Like - did he drink a lot? Was he a little off his rocker from previous conversations?


And if you can't answer those questions about a neighbor, why can't you? What prevented or precluded you from knowing some things about the people who live around you that leaves you unable to answer those questions? What could you have done ahead of time that might enable you to give better answers to those questions in a moments notice like this?


This is the part of the discussion relevant to the S&T forum.

Everything else is nothing more than a generic "man with a gun" call.
 
Ken Makes a good Point.

My proprety is bordered by relatives and we meet regularly to plan and dicusss preparation, and our most recent discusion led us to coin the term perimiter intelligence. Sounds more fancy than it is. Basicly we are reaching out and gaining info beyond our current 300 yd comfort zone.
Who is out there? What do we know about them? Can they be trusted? Will the need help? Can they help us? Or are the not to be trusted.
 
Anyone cranking off magazines in the middle of the night is in need of help.

The LEOs sorted out what sort of help the guy needed without you putting you or your wife's life at risk.

Sounds like you did well, but it is excellent advice to use cover as well as concealment.
 
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