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I heard dispatch say there were 4 juvenilles burglarizing a house under construction down from my house. The time was early afternoon, sunny. I sat inside my car in front of my house and watched the cops look around.
They came fast, but I was there a few minutes early. I think that the house was attacked from behind. Because other neighbors were outside in sight of the front of the house in burglary.
 
Not sure about this: I think I read that it is illegal to listen to the scanner and act upon what you've heard. Would anyone have approached, looked around or drove around the house to help police identify and locate. I was there a couple minutes before the police. I do live in Texas the same as the Joe Horn case.
 
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I think I read that it is illegal to listen to the scanner and act upon what you've heard. Would anyone have approached, looked around or drove around the house to help police identify and locate. I was there a couple minutes before the police. I do live in Texas the same as the Joe Horn case.

It is not illegal in Texas to listen to a scanner, nor is it illegal to keep an eye out for your neighbors.

That's just being a good neighbor.

Problem is in responding armed when cops are on the way too.

You put yourself in a potentially very dangerous position doing that.

Not illegal, but approach that kind of thing VERY cautiously. Normally the police don't appreciate "help" unless they ask for it.

It's a good way to get shot. The Joe Horn situation was a little different. He personally saw the crime being committed and intervened.
 
Here is a long answer.....

I am not an attorney but I do work in the criminal justice system and I am well aware of the problems and resposiblilties that comes with doing this type of work...

It sounds like your case is a little different than the Joe Horn case... where he caught the suspects in the act you listened to a scanner and 'responded' to the scene. It could be misunderstood and said that you were looking for trouble. You could potentially be opening yourself up to a lot of liability.

If the police are responding to a buglary, you running in, probably armed could get you shot.
 
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I don't think confrontation is an option. Although, I could have drove down the back drive way. I could have identified and located the individuals. I was parked facing away from the house in my convertible. The cop drove by my car and looked at me eye to eye. Maybe, she thought that I was the caller, which I was not. I had no info to give and she drove back to the house. I may have seen the kids if I drove down the back alley way which is common for cars to do anyway. And they probably would have seen me driving too.
 
Scanners are for intel only. Don't get involved. The cops will be more than happy to lock your tookus behind bars and make your life a living nightmare.

Leave the police to do their jobs and stay out of the way or risk becoming the poster kid for the next anti tazing petition.
 
I do live in Texas the same as the Joe Horn case.

As I understand things, Joe Horn (1) had been asked by a neighbor to protect property (Texas Penal Code, Section 9.43 (2) (A), (2)); encountered persons taking moveable, tangible property during the night (Section 9.42 (1) (A)); and (3) could not reasonably prevent the taking of said property without using deadly force (Section 9.42 (3)).

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/9.42.00.html

That.s a lay interpretation of the code as published. Do not rely on it.

I personally do not approve of Mr. Horn's actions. The Grand Jury reportedly returned a "no bill" and declined to indict. That may well have been legally proper. That said, I don't like that law very much. But--I don't have standing to argue with it.
 
I've been in a few incidents where cops asked for height weight clothing race and direction.
 
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Well there are a few freqs I listen to regularly. Most useful when something is going down. We had a jailbreak one time and it was headed in my general part of the county.

Dont listen to it much anymore. In these parts you kept an ear on the neighbors over the fence and it's not too hard to figure out what is going down anyhoo.

But when trucking, that there Bearcat... whoo alot to listen to.

But one day I cross Texas past Hood towards Dallas and I listen to the cat as the police dispatchers in various agencies inform specific Officers that they are to be called up and sent to war overseas.

What a way to end your shift. Start the day's work and end it getting ready to go fight really bad enemies overseas far away soon.

I dont do scanners much anymore. But there are a few availible that stream to the internet where you can listen in in some big cities around.
 
I got this scanner to keep an eye on my business. I don't really pay attention most of the time to what is going on with the scanner as background noise. I have only had this for a week or two. The police told the media that there has been a rash of crimes. I don't watch the news much. There is local news on captures of the day. I feel I have more situational awareness of what happens in our city. I've heard that cops become paranoid. And I just feel more aware. I think that mobile scanners are legal in Texas. I had some difficulty confirming this.

Been thinking about getting my technician class license. But the chances of using ham radios are less unless you make it a hobby.
 
I think that mobile scanners are legal in Texas. I had some difficulty confirming this.

Mobile scanners are perfectly legal in Texas as long as it's not used to coordinate/facilitate a crime.

I can't remember the exact wording, I'll try to find it.
 
I still think it is best to use the scanner for intel only.

I also have one and a CB and some other radio for intel and coms. Intel in case SHTF or something like that and I need to know what is going on the radio's ain't reporting much.
 
Would anyone have approached, looked around or drove around the house to help police identify and locate.

No.

lpl (just to be clear...)
 
The other thing you have to keep in mind is that these days scanners only tell a part of the story. Police cars have had text messaging for a couple of decades now and the dispatch will often use that to keep the channel from being clogged with voice traffic. there may be a lot more going on than you know about.
 
There have been a lot of good arrests made from information turned in by members of the public who listen to scanners. When Motorola first came out with their SecureNet feature (a digital scrambling) on their radios back in the 80s a PD near me switched to total secure traffic for a while. The experiment lasted a couple months before the went back to an open channel and only used securenet for sensitive information. That said, you should never act on any information you get from the scanner, unless it's something like a tornado approaching. Titan6 is correct that there are many alternate methods of communication available to the officers these days. Everything from cell phones, to secure radio, to digital messaging and email on the mobile data computer in the squad cars. There is most likely a lot more to the story then is going out on an un-secure radio.
 
Posts aren't limited to firearms in the Strategies and Tactics forum. If you read the sticky threads at the top, you'll find that just about every serious discussion of tactics, techniques and procedures for surviving a violent encounter is on topic here. We discuss law, we discuss mindset, we discuss training methodology. This thread fits into the mindset category.
 
My decision to not approach was based on the idea that the negatives outweigh the positives. I'm just wondering what limitations are on a neighborhood watch, whatever that is.
 
Neighborhood Watch is aptly named. It could also be called "Neighborhood Watch & Call the Police" because that's all they want you to do.
 
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The other thing you have to keep in mind is that these days scanners only tell a part of the story. Police cars have had text messaging for a couple of decades now and the dispatch will often use that to keep the channel from being clogged with voice traffic. there may be a lot more going on than you know about.

Beyond the text messaging, we also have Nextels in our cars, our own personal cellphones, and an "I-call" radio feature that allows us to talk with just one other unit/dispatcher.

I'm no tech guy, so I can't tell you how half of this stuff works. But, I know that portions of our system are supposed to be protected from scanning. I'm also sure that there is someone out there somewhere who knows how to scan it anyway. But, back to the original point that Titan made, you probably don't have all of the information.

Beyond that, the street officers all know of the "routine" houses, or the ones that get bogus calls. We are also accustomed to interpreting the severity of these calls! By way of example, probably only 5% of our "burglary in progress" calls amount to anything other than a cold burglary! While we still respond accordingly, it doesn't necessarily mean that things are as they seem on the radio. As a second example, we have one lady in my district who calls in burglaries in-progress/home invasions about 3 times per week. She's old, she's nuttier than a peanut farm, and she's relatively harmless (save for the time she wastes on our end). But, many an uninformed dispatcher has given that call out with obvious concern in their voice!

The long and short of my disertation is that you would be best served to leave the police work to the police, particularly when you would have been basing your decisions on the limited amount of intel you could gain off of radio traffic.
 
I get the impression that there are many false alarms.

My father was jumped at the office. My father told the mugger that he needed to turn off the alarm and instead activated the panic alarm. The robber took off just before the cop car came. The cop walked over and said, " false alarm?" And my father said, "he's over there."

I heard a burglar inside one of our restaurants and called the cops. 5 to 6 cops were waiting outside. We heard this guy banging his lug wrench against the safe. And a cop walked over to me, " are you sure this isn't an employee?"

Some couple of our mischievous employees have activated the panic alarm to see if it works. A couple of them, the cop yelled at our employees rightly so.

Once, I called the cops because our open back door set the alarm off. Turns out, the backdoor is very old and wasn't shut right. Cops searched the house and left.
 
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Would anyone have approached, looked around or drove around the house to help police identify and locate.

Absolutely not! You are not LEO, friend. That is what you pay taxes for. If you show up at a crime scene, armed or not, now the LEO's on site have more to worry about. You do not say that you actually saw any BG's; you would not be able to add anything to the search other than questions from the LEO's regarding your presence.
 
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