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Years ago I was a huge proponent of the Beretta 92 9mm. It was a time before the ultra-reliable pistols started hitting the market and the 92 was big, beautiful and ate anything one fed it. The military trials came and the second place winner in reliability went to the Smith & Wesson 459 (I think the model was). It was later released in the all steel 559, then the stainless 659.
Anyway, in the military trials it was said to have malfunctioned once on an average of 952 times. The Beretta, on the other hand, only malfunctioned once in an average 2,000 rounds. Smith & Wesson was unhappy with the results, of course, and engaged in all sorts of legal action saying, if you can believe it, that it was impossible for any pistol to live up to the government's expectations. But the Beretta just had. And the government wanted the pistol to have a life of at least 5,000 rounds.
But then stories began circulating about the 92's slides popping off the frames and hitting users in the face. A friend of mine at Beretta assured me this was poppycock, but then I ran into a fellow at the Naval Sea Systems Command who had been in charge of the Navy's acquisition of the new Beretta. He was very emphatic in saying the stories were not poppycock at all and that he was retiring because the Navy and the rest of the military were catagorically ignoring his warnings that the pistols could fail at any time without warning after about 2,500 rounds or so of conventional 9mm.
Meanwhile Beretta was beefing up a key part of the frame, even as it continued to try to discredit the stories.
The NAVSEA fellow said that stress tests done after 2,500 rounds were not able to predict which pistols would fail. A pistol could pass at one point and then fail 100 rounds later, he said. I found it all fascinating, especially when told that none of the Italian Berettas had (as then) not failed. I also have not heard of any of the Taurus 92/99s failing.
My question is: What is the average life of the in-service 92s presently? I would think 5,000 rounds would not be acceptable to modern shooters, though many will never shoot that amount. Have there been any civilian failures of the gun?
Thanks for any info.
Anyway, in the military trials it was said to have malfunctioned once on an average of 952 times. The Beretta, on the other hand, only malfunctioned once in an average 2,000 rounds. Smith & Wesson was unhappy with the results, of course, and engaged in all sorts of legal action saying, if you can believe it, that it was impossible for any pistol to live up to the government's expectations. But the Beretta just had. And the government wanted the pistol to have a life of at least 5,000 rounds.
But then stories began circulating about the 92's slides popping off the frames and hitting users in the face. A friend of mine at Beretta assured me this was poppycock, but then I ran into a fellow at the Naval Sea Systems Command who had been in charge of the Navy's acquisition of the new Beretta. He was very emphatic in saying the stories were not poppycock at all and that he was retiring because the Navy and the rest of the military were catagorically ignoring his warnings that the pistols could fail at any time without warning after about 2,500 rounds or so of conventional 9mm.
Meanwhile Beretta was beefing up a key part of the frame, even as it continued to try to discredit the stories.
The NAVSEA fellow said that stress tests done after 2,500 rounds were not able to predict which pistols would fail. A pistol could pass at one point and then fail 100 rounds later, he said. I found it all fascinating, especially when told that none of the Italian Berettas had (as then) not failed. I also have not heard of any of the Taurus 92/99s failing.
My question is: What is the average life of the in-service 92s presently? I would think 5,000 rounds would not be acceptable to modern shooters, though many will never shoot that amount. Have there been any civilian failures of the gun?
Thanks for any info.