Berreta v CZ

Beretta or CZ?

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Is this poll about differences or preferences? Quality or value? What is the voting about?
 
Nature Boy said:
why?
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Some of the older models with decockers were "unreliable" at best, downright dangerous at worst. Often it was the old eastern bloc sidearms and with many being old the decocking mechanism was worn therefor unsafe to use. This led to a belief in certain circles that decockers in general were unsafe. There are also two forms of decockers, one is a simple decocker the other is a decocker that also puts the firearm in safe mode, the second is obviously a better system. Of course decockers like any mechanical contrivance can fail and being that it's literally controlling the hammer/striker hitting the firing pin some don't like or trust it. I have three old Soviet era sidearms with decockers, I've never used that function, I don't trust it.
 
kje54 said:
Some of the older models with decockers were "unreliable" at best, downright dangerous at worst. Often it was the old eastern bloc sidearms and with many being old the decocking mechanism was worn therefor unsafe to use. This led to a belief in certain circles that decockers in general were unsafe. There are also two forms of decockers, one is a simple decocker the other is a decocker that also puts the firearm in safe mode, the second is obviously a better system. Of course decockers like any mechanical contrivance can fail and being that it's literally controlling the hammer/striker hitting the firing pin some don't like or trust it. I have three old Soviet era sidearms with decockers, I've never used that function, I don't trust it.
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Were talking about a Beretta 92X and a CZ 75 SP01. There is absolutely no danger using a decocker on either of those pistols.

Certainly, there could be some danger if you have an non-decocker equipped CZ and you are manually lowering the hammer and not paying attention, but I'm pretty sure that's not what is under discussion.
 
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There are also two forms of decockers, one is a simple decocker the other is a decocker that also puts the firearm in safe mode, the second is obviously a better system.
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That would be news to the French Gendarmerie and the many people buying or converting to "G" decocker only Berettas.
The problem with the original Walther pattern decocking safety is that it is quite easy to inadvertently engage the safety position while racking the slide to load or reload with the intent of immediately firing.

ETA: I prefer the decock only and from that a frame mounted decocking lever.
Score here, three SIG Sauers with frame decocking, zero Beretta, Walther, etc.
But that wasn't the Poll. Sorry 'bout that.
 
JTQ said:
Were talking about a Beretta 92X and a CZ 75 SP01. There is absolutely no danger using a decocker on either of those pistols.

Certainly, there could be some danger if you have an non-decocker equipped CZ and you are manually lowering the hammer and not paying attention, but I'm pretty sure that's not what is under discussion.
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Sorry, I was simply replying to a question that was asked, explaining why some didn't like them. Never said the ones on the two sidearms under discussion were unsafe.
 
CZC said no. At least not with their trigger.

I was going to try one converted to single action. Think I'll wait..............................................for DWX instead.
 
Otto said:
Is this poll about differences or preferences? Quality or value? What is the voting about?
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Old Dog said:
Bias confirmation, apparently. OP didn't ask any specific questions about either model...
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I thought the poll self explanatory enough. Vote for one very specific choice, seemed simple enough to me, and that I was comparing them.

I guess I should have added "as to why you chose it" or "pros/cons" when asking for a comment.
 
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For carry I prefer the decocker, don't want a safety.
I have both models touched by CGW, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference in triggers.

The Omegas are called convertible due to being able to go from safety to either decocker. You can not convert an omega to sao.

The Beretta 92x performance lacks in several areas compared to a shadow.
The safety levers on the Beretta extended upwards past the slide. When you rack the slide your fingers can hit and jam on the levers.

The grips on a 1400 dollar gun are a complete joke and frankly Beretta should be ashamed. Cheap crappy plastic with no traction or grip. Plan on buying LOK grips.

The front and rear grip checking while nice looking provide no grip. The checking on the CZ is built up and pronounced and when you hold it, it locks the gun in place.

A gun built for games but doesn't come with match parts. Want a paddle mag release and match hammer like CZ does, better head over to the Beretta store and pony up an additional 80 bucks.

DA pull is nicer and smoother on the 92 performance but SA the CZ wins.

When shot from a rest the CZ prints better groups.
 
I own and shoot often a cz 75 pcr D worked over by cz custom, a Beretta 92 X performance and a LTT 92 G with all work by LTT
I’m selling the 92x performance. Nice pistol but not for me.
My favorite by FAR is the Langdon, by far! But They are all great pistols.
 
Years ago, I had a Beretta 92FS. A great gun and it shot well for me. But, in the end I found the grip and controls reach too large for my hands. I grew to dislike the slide safety/decocker reach as well.

I replaced that Beretta with a CZ75 with decocker. The CZ simply works with my hands better.

Cocked and locked was not a concern, considering I came from the 92FS.
 
I've not owned any newer fancier models, but...

I have a 92 clone, a 96 Frankengun, and five full-sized CZ clones; three of the five are military surplus. My FiL has a CZ75 and a older model Beretta 92; the 92 is military surplus.

The CZ's fit my hands better and point better for me. On average their triggers are a little better than the Berettas.

So for me, I would go with the CZ, but the Beretta might fit someone else better.

That's all, whichever one fits you better.

All of the pistols above are reliable and have reasonable ergonomics.

My FiL and I both prefer the CZ's, but we shoot the Berettas almost as well and have no problems with any of them.
 
I was underwhelmed with my PCR and somewhat impressed with my 92fs inox. Ergonomically the CZ wins without a doubt but the trigger on my Beretta was better than the CZ even before adding the D spring. For a range gun I could go with either one in full size.
 
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Years ago, I had a Beretta 92FS. A great gun and it shot well for me. But, in the end I found the grip and controls reach too large for my hands. I grew to dislike the slide safety/decocker reach as well.

I replaced that Beretta with a CZ75 with decocker. The CZ simply works with my hands better.
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I have the same issue with the Beretta 92; too much of a reach to the controls, too wide a grip, and I have never liked slide mounted safeties.
 
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chicharrones said:
But, in the end I found the grip and controls reach too large for my hands.

The CZ simply works with my hands better.
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This is exactly what I found. To look at a full-size Beretta vs full-size CZ, you wouldn't think there would be any difference, but the Beretta grips were too fat for my hands.
 
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