Best .357/.38 defensive load?

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I am going to be carrying a 4" barreled .357. What would be the best self defense loads EXCLUDING any JHP rounds. I am not allowed to carry JHP as it is illegal in my state. So, what would be the best loads for my revolver? 158gr 38 +p semi wadcutters? .357 wadcutters? Links to numbers or ballistics test to back up opinions would be great too.

to repeat myself NO HOLLOW POINTS.
 
Can you use what amount to JHP, but with rubber or plastic plugs in the noses, until they hit the target? The plugs then enable expansion.

How do your laws read? No HP's, or no expanding bullets? That is an important distinction.

Failing any expanders, I'd go for Plus P lead semiwadcutter .38 ammo indoors, and .357 JSP outdoors, especially in the wild. I think the latter will kill a bear, if you hit him right. I know of one polar bear killed with .38 lead HP, and one killed with a 158 grain .357 JHP. You can't use these, but you'd have better penetration with a softpoint, and that's what mainly counts on bear, or deer, if that may be a factor. I think you're in a certain NE US state where cougars aren't a threat, but big dogs may be.

That .357 softponit will also do a number on people shooting at you from within a car.

If you CAN use HP's with the nose plugged, look at Hornady's Critical Defense ammo, if sold there. Federal also has a nose plug round, but I can't recall the name at the moment. Someone will probably tell us. They claim it's very effective.

Austria now allows some JHP use, by members of gun clubs. Maybe New Jersey will follow suit, if enough NJ shooters raise Cain, and Able, too. ;)

Placement is the principal factor in stopping/killing power. Even military ammo works pretty well. I have that via someone I know who shot nine men in Iraq with 9mm's. He said they usually worked well, if well placed. He also said that if he hadn't had a pistol, he'd be dead now, himself.

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Jacketed Soft points, if allowed. The new Hornady FTX LEVERevolution 140 grain bullet, if allowed and semi-wadcutters if they are not.

( I couldn't find out if the EFMJ was ever made or currently offered for the .357, but if so, that's another choice)
 
Buffalo Bore sells a 150gr full Wadcutter round that I feel will serve your needs well. It's already at full caliber diameter since it's a wadcutter and even though it's a standard pressure .38 Special round they claim 1005 fps (336 ft. lbs.) from a 4" barrel. IMO that's not bad at all and like I said, the bullet is already "expanded" to .358".

The new polymer tipped bullets now available are still hollow point bullets covered by the tip. Knowing how the laws are in New Jersey I wouldn't take a chance using them.

It's too bad Federal only makes their EFMJ (Expanding Full Metal Jacket) ammo for semi-autos and not revolver ammo too. That bullet is a true FMJ but expands almost flat when it hits the target. It's amazing to see them expand.
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I'd just move to a better state.
Do you really think it's that easy to up and move to another state just like that? Come on, be realistic!! It would be much easier to vote in representatives who will restore the rights affirmed in the Bill of Rights. After all "Cpt. America" your rights were restored only a few years ago in Florida. Were you living there when the laws were still more restrictive?
 
I'd just move to a better state.

OK, I'll pack up and everything, leave behind my family and job and everyone I know and 22 years of memories so my bullets can have better terminal ballistics.
 
Do you really think it's that easy to up and move to another state just like that? Come on, be realistic!! It would be much easier to vote in representatives who will restore the rights affirmed in the Bill of Rights.

Yeah, it is easier to move. I lived in Boston, DC, NYC, and finally just moved west. It's like a weight leaves your shoulders and life becomes something closer to human. Leaving entrenched parties you as a lone individual can't fight behind and going somewhere free is a better idea. If the Republican party can't free those states, do you think you are better funded and organized than they are?

But really to the OP, your best bet is JSP - is that an option.
 
I moved from the The peoples republic of New Jersey 6 years ago. I still work in the garden state but live in the keystone state.

Then again my wife wanted to move as badly as I did. If you family likes it there then your stuck.

If you do live in New Jersey it will be unlikley you can ever get a ccw. They only give them out to people who are connected.(friends of politicians, move stars, rich people)

Get cought with a concealed weapon in New Jersey you are looking at prison time.
 
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=23

I use the 158gr SWCHP. Very accurate in my Colt Cobra. Velocity similar to +P as they use progressive low flash powder. I don't imagine the HLWC loads would be bad either. You can always use the standard wadcutter loads (Rem, Win and others), even though it has a low velocity, the very soft lead they are made from will expand somwhat and tumble a little. I would get the hollow base variety so you would at the very least get a little shuttlecock "upskirt" when it hit something.

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/handgun/remington.asp

Remington makes a LSWC in 38+P that would most likely be made from the same lead alloy as all the other all lead bullets in their lineup, ie. soft.
 
I would use a JSP if you could. I agree that a SWC would be effective, but they are known to be good penetrators and I think it would easily pass through an attacker.
 
I don't use/have .357s but I do have .38 SPLs. I don't trust the slow-moving .38 SPL caliber to expand and penetrate sufficiently. In my opinion, it doesn't have the energy. However, 4 grains of HP38/Win231 pushing a 148 gr lead, hollow-based wadcutter will do some serious work. The wound will be deep and will be a big bleeder, for sure. Look up "cannula" in the dictionary. Round-nosed loads don't make them but the above one will.
 
SWC's would not be my first choice or the Buff hard WC load. I think I would load up standard wadcutters and hope I never had to use them, or some of my handloads that have the Lyman 358430 200 gr RN bullet at 700 fps. Soft and slow and very accurate, also become unstable when they hit something, limiting penetration. I'm not familiar whith your laws, are all expanding bullets banned or just "hollow points"? Even so, I'm still jelous of any state that has any laws allowing CCW. I live in Illinois.
 
The Dark Knight if you don't mind stating what state do you reside in? This would help us better understand that states laws and give you better advice. how is your states laws written does it state "no hollow point bullets" or "no expanding bullets"? this is important as if it is written the former way than it would seem only conventional JHP ammo is prohibited. If it is in fact conventional hollow point ammo only thats banned than look into corbon's .357 magnum powerball ammo. Its not a JHP bullet but is shaped like ball ammo,and it expands.

Also is this for work purposes i.e. security guard etc.? If not and its for personal protection have you considered a larger caliber like a .45acp maybe? remember shot placement is the key rather than bullet design.
 
NJ and I DO have a carry permit to the guy who is trying to scare me....I carry as an armored car guard. Right now I'm carrying 9mm FMJs which is pathetic.

So basically it comes down to .357 158gr SWCs or 125 gr JSPs?
 
The Dark Knight, not trying to scare you just stating facts. You carry because of your job. Quit your job and see your permit go by by. I stand by what I said. Regular folks can't carry in your state.
 
I forgot to mention my choice of ammunition in my earlier post. I agree with ArchAngelCD on Buffalo Bore 150gr Wadcutters. They would leave a big hole in a bad guy.
 
best performer is definitely a 125 JSP 357 mag in a 4" gun with your restrictions. gonna be loud, so wear muffs and plugs when practicing.
 
The Dark Knight, not trying to scare you just stating facts. You carry because of your job. Quit your job and see your permit go by by. I stand by what I said. Regular folks can't carry in your state.

I make no argument against that. Regular people can't carry in NJ.
 
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