Best cap and ball revolver of the Cap and Ball Era?

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1858 Army is the one I'd keep if I only could have one. Having said that, after 33 years of being a shootist and a year into BP, my 1860 clone is my 'daily' go to shooting tool. I have others and of course some modern self defense and hunting tools but that 1860 is magic in my hand. Handgun preferences are highly individual. Find one you like, have regular bowel movements, love often, and have a good life. 1860_zps5ry14yw5.jpg
 
I have no idea what the "best" actually was,,,

I have no idea what the "best" actually was,,,
But, were I to somehow be transported back in time,,,
I can make the statement which pistol I would want to have.

1858 Remington.

Because, with it's top-strap, it has a stronger frame,,,
It is possible to quickly swap in a loaded cylinder.

Just my humble opinion.

Aarond

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handling characteristics- By all accounts, the heavy favorite is and probably will always be the Colt models. Does that mean the 1858 Remington's were impossible to handle? No, it just takes practice.

Winner: 1851 Navy Colt by a hair.

accuracy- Again, this comes down to practice and training. Having said that, a heavier bullet will be less affected by wind, but less of a flat trajectory and a longer barrel a longer sight radius.

Winner: Colt Walker on paper, but really inconclusive.

reliability- This is the era of cap and ball, the only reliable gun was a single shot. For revolvers though, most Civil War vets going home were buying up the Remington for a reason: they were easier to maintain and were allegedly more reliable. Also, they had the safety notches to safely carry the full 6 rounds.

Winner: Remington

loading- Gotta go with Remington here. Being able to take the cylinder out so easily meant loading off the gun was possible when not in combat. Even in combat, the potential for a cylinder swap was there, unlike the Colt's.

Winner: Remington

power- The more powder, the more power. Colt Dragoons easily held 50 grains of powder.

Winner: Colt Dragoon

durability- All the C&B guns could last a long while if properly taken care of. The way the Colt's came apart meant it was easy to clean the cylinder, barrel, and frame separately and gave easier access to the bore.

Winner- Colts

strength- More steel means a stronger gun, which would mean the Dragoon, but brawn doesn't always beat brains. The Remington design was a sold frame, the Dragoon wasn't, but the Dragoon could hold up to heavy recoil.

Winner- Tie between Remington and Dragoon.

I'd say it's a tie between the Remington and the Dragoon. The issue with the Dragoon was it weighed twice as much as the Remington did. Why would you carry one Dragoon when you could carry two Remingtons and double your firepower? You wouldn't, people back then didn't, and thus I give the overall edge to the Remington.
 
OK, y'all are real close!!

- Remies aren't stronger.
- Remies safety notches let you carry 6, so does Colts safty pins.

- (biggie). Dragoons can run longer than a Remie.

- Walker was a very limited run, Dragoons were much more available.
Winner - of course!! Dragoon !!!! (Duh !! Lol!!)

45 Dragoon
(Mike)
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PS The 3rd Mod. Dragoon was Sam's favorite! (The man was right!)
 
So, my quandary is, I have a 2nd Gen. 1851 Navy and a Whitneyville Dragoon, Both of which have been Goonerized! They are mechanical wonders!
Which one do I use?:what:
 
Had I been alive during that time and had the funds to choose whichever I wanted I most likely would have chosen an 1860 Army. They feel just right in my hand and point very well.

I like the strength of the Remington but it doesn't feel right in my hand.
 
Sorry, I meant to add to this post but for whatever reason, it reposted below with my addition.
 
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Dragoon, are you really trying that hard to say the Remington is a weak gun? You bend a brass frame... ok, brass isn't as strong as steel, but compare apples to apples man.
 
OK Shaffer,

So what you're really saying in the last statement is " I like the weakness of the Remington compared to the Colt open top and it doesn't feel right in my hand".?

Just because some people keep saying something doesn't make it so.

I have BENT a Remington (brass frame) loading over sized balls (no, I'm not bragging!) !! I've NEVER bent a brass Colt open top loading oversized balls! All things being the same, no matter what material they are made of, the large centrally located arbor has much more tensile strength than the structural strength of the full frame Remington has for keeping it's shape!
Don't get me wrong, I like Remies very much!! In fact, I keep defense rounds in a 5 1/2" tubed Pietta (steel of course!! I don't have any brass frames of anything anymore) that is one of my favorites! But facts are facts and that's the way it goes. Rugers are stronger than many guns but that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy other makes.

Mike
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Truthtellers,
You gotta read .
I did compare apples to apples (both brass). That being the case, you can make them out of whatever you want and the outcome is the same. Central arbors are stronger. Period.

Oh yeah, . . . . man!!

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
 
Since I opened the can of worms here. I'll apologize now . . . but, I believe the manufacturing process is what won in the design of the full frame or the "top strap" revolvers. It's much easier to bore, tap it and screw in a barrel. That's what nearly 30 yrs of R&D will do for design. Remember though, the Root guns were full framed revolvers and who's to say Remington didn't take an idea and run with it? Anyway, history is history. As I said before though, just because all you've ever heard was "Remies have a stronger frame" doesn't make it so. The fact is, dealing with the linear forces these revolvers present to their design, the arbor is undeniably best for it. It's just harder to manufacture.

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
 
dickydalton - Its a VERY simple decision.

You put the Whitneyville on your STRONG side and the 1851 on the other.

Then imagine your out numbered by the target and let them BOTH off at once!!!
 
Were all Colt Dragoons manufactured in the 1850's made of wrought iron or were some made from steel?
 
dickydalton - Its a VERY simple decision.

You put the Whitneyville on your STRONG side and the 1851 on the other.

Then imagine your out numbered by the target and let them BOTH off at once!!!
Where do I put the 1860s, the 1862s, the 1858s, the Duckfoot and the pirate pistols? :)
 
The 1860 and the 1858 go in the double shoulder holsters as worn by Dennis Adler in his Black Powder Reproductions coffee table books.

The 1862s go in the pockets of your white canvas duster.

The pirate pistols go in your crimson sash.

The duckfoot goes in one high top riding boot and a Bowie knife/pistol in the other.

Derringers (to anticipate your next worry) go in your vest pockets and your hat, your Spencer carbine is slung over one shoulder and the Blakeslee cartridge box for it over the other.

You are now ready no matter how out numbered you are by those pesky targets.

However if you try mounting your horse, you may have the SCPA all over you!!!
 
Dicky, If ya got Whitney and tha '51 ? Ya don't need them others!!

Truthtellers, I'm not sure but I think the '60 was the first to be made of the "new" steel. I'm too lazy to look it up but I'm sure someone has that knowledge and will chime in shortly.

Mike
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Today, we automatically believe the top strap is a necessity in a revolver and makes it stronger. But that is true only for cartridge revolvers, not for percussion guns. The reason is that in a cartridge gun, the pressure on the frame comes from the case pushing back against the recoil shield. That is a high point on the frame and the fulcrum tends to bend the frame backward unless a top strap provides additional strength.

But in a percussion gun, the entire cylinder recoils, and the pressure point is at the cylinder axis, further down in the thick frame boss; at that point, a top strap adds little or nothing to strength, but can cause jams from fired caps or general debris. The CW trooper, being a practical sort, and worrying more about silly things like staying alive than discussions on the internet, preferred a theoretically weaker gun that worked to a theoretically stronger gun that jammed.

Jim
 
"... the '60 was the first to be made of the "new" steel...."
"That is correct. It was called silver steel."

I think Colt used the term only for springs, and articles I have read by metallurgists say that "silver steel" was hype, a Colt advertising term having no meaning.

Jim
 
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