ArchAngelCD
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A full size 1911...
I carry the gun in the small of my back, so you would be right. I'm not looking to have an incredibly fast draw. Hopefully, I'll never have to! Having said that, I have carried the weapon in just about every possible position over the years, and from my experience, anything worn under clothing is going to be somewhat of a "slow" draw. I would hope I can talk my way out of any encounter, but at the end of the day, if someone approaches you with a weapon drawn and bearing down on you, you'll be lucky to make it out alive anyway. I choose to carry in the small of the back for comfort and concealability.If I'm picturing this right, you're doing a "palm out, cavalry twist draw." If so, you're likely pointing the gun at your pelvis during the draw. Even if you're not, it's not a very fast draw.
Again, if I read this right, you're saying that YOU are ready to shoot, but you're waiting on the gun to finish cycling from the previous shot? (either the slide or the trigger mechanism) If you're saying the slide, you're wrong. If you're saying the trigger won't reset fast enough, then there's something wrong with it. However my bet is, since you're used to the short reset of the Glock, you're short stroking the DA triggers.
Sounds like you found "your" gun! No small thing, that. How fast and how accurate are you talking?
Nice attempt at cleverness jackass. I served 12 years on active duty, and now serve in the reserves. Perhaps next time you will consider the fact you do not know everything before you pressume you do. Please, spare me your idiotic opinions.If you're interested in combat, step away from your keyboard and Xbox and join the military; in which case any discussion on a "choice" of combat pistol/caliber is largely moot. Beyond this, the revolver remains, among others, a viable option as a weapon for personal defense.
LOL!!! Get good at reloading? Good one!What if the gun you like, shoot well and shoot often is a Stevens Favorite single shot chambered in .22 Short?
Yeah, that always sounds better in the head, but the truth is most people will never encounter that scenario. Realistically speaking, I'm looking for personal opinions from experience with a specific weapon. Thanks, though!THE best gun is always the one you have on you when you absolutely, positively, have to have a gun. Thus endeth the lesson.
Thanks for your input! Sometimes it's just good to know your own perspective is on point.Yep and it's the reason one gets so many different answers when folks post a "which is best?" thread. Truth is, there is no best, not for everyone in every scenario. TFIT, if you're happy and satisfied with your choices, good for you.
You idiot! It isn't about copying the British. It's about money. The US Armed Forces issue the Beretta M9 for one reason. Beretta won a bidding war. However, the US has been considering replacing the M9 for several years now. A number of platforms have been considered for this replacement, one of which is the Glock 17 9MM. They have been considering reaplacing the M9 for a number of reasons, but mainly due to cost. If you really knew anything about it, you would at the least acknowledge this; however, you continue to submit unqualified opinions. The M9 is a very large and finicky weapon that requires a lot of maintenance which takes time and money. The Glock, however, does not require a significant amount of maintance, and the cost is far less than the Beretta. I know traditional thinking says the US will never issue a weapon with no external safety, but the truth is they already do. It is the Sig P226. Granted this weapon is issued to special operators, but it was also the 2nd runner up to the Beretta losing only due to cost, not b/c of no external safety. Training will take care of new technology. Money wins every time!If we were going to copy the British then we would have switched to BHPs a long time ago - instead of the Beretta...
I carry the gun in the small of my back, so you would be right. I'm not looking to have an incredibly fast draw. Hopefully, I'll never have to! Having said that, I have carried the weapon in just about every possible position over the years, and from my experience, anything worn under clothing is going to be somewhat of a "slow" draw. I would hope I can talk my way out of any encounter, but at the end of the day, if someone approaches you with a weapon drawn and bearing down on you, you'll be lucky to make it out alive anyway. I choose to carry in the small of the back for comfort and concealability.
WRT how fast I pull the trigger and accuracy, at distances ranging form 5 to 15 yards, I am able to put all my shots in center mass and can discharge 10 rounds within five seconds +/-. Bear in mind when I say center mass, I am talking about full-sized man targets from the waist line to the shoulders, and side to side (inside arms) With this work, I'm not taking time to aim. I'm just pointing and shooting with both eyes open.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the slide or any other part of the DA weapon (Sig P226 MK 25). After significant time on the range, I just figured out I was pulling the trigger before it had time to reset.
I like the low profile of the Glock...it's easier to conceal, and I am proficient with it.
You know, there is always someone like you who seems to think they have a better grip on things than anyone else. Sure, you have a right to your opinion, but that doesn't make your opinion right. Perhaps in giving yours you could figure out a better way to do so. In other words, stop trying to be so clever or cute with silly statements such as "if you want combat step away from your xbox". What, did you really think that was funny? Come on bruh...perhaps you should chill and think before you offer your opinion. This is a written forum, not a public meeting room where we exchange ideas in person, so you really don't come across the way you might think. Just food for thought.Chill, TFIT.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, as we all are, but being new on THR, I respectfully ask you to re-read the THR rules before resorting to any further name-calling, or trouncing others for their opinion. A moderator will likely be along make it clearer for you.
No offense taken. If you have some recommendations, I'm always open to it. Maybe I wasn't communicating my experiences accurately enough, but I think we agree what I was doing was short stroking the Sig. In my mind, with my limited knowledge of trigger resets, it just made sense to me that that is what was happening...in short, short stroking is not giving the trigger enough time to reset. Is that inaccurate?Even if the draw itself is dangerous? Interesting.
With all due respect, you're not doing it right.
Again, with all due respect, you weren't. Above, you cited splits (time between shots) of 1/2second, or .5 The gun cycles in about .05, so your ability to pull the trigger is ten times slower than the gun cycles. Your later assessment of short-stroking the trigger is correct.
Well, that's why they make Fords and Chevys, too! It sucks to fight your own equipment when you don't have to. Many don't realize that they are, then wonder why they never get better.
As you probably read, I do love the 1911 .45. Great pistol! I also like the CZ75...that is one well designed and proven pistol as well. I also agree with your input. It is what works best for YOU. That is what my experience has proven to me, and it is backed up by the many I've talked with, such as yourself. Thanks for your input bro!There is no best ,only opinions.
The best choices for me would be a full size 1911 45acp , CZ75b 9mm, or CZPO-1 9mm. There are a lot of good pistols out there in todays market but those three are my favorite simply because there reliable and I shoot them the best
short stroking is not giving the trigger enough time to reset. Is that inaccurate?
Yeah, I guess that is what I'm saying...it isn't a "timing" think as much as "room" thing...not giving the trigger enough room to reset before I'm trying to depress it again. Hurt my feelings too b/c I have been partial to P226 for a long time. At any rate, I guess it is a moot point since I've finally decided to go with the G17. Can't go wrong with either weapon...as long as it is the right weapon for you given the choice.It isn't so much a time thing, as it is that you are not allowing the trigger to reset all the way before pulling the trigger again. The mechanism is not cycling fully.
I short stroked a Ruger LCR in the store, so I went with a S&W 642 instead. Trigger worked better for me.
Nice attempt at cleverness jackass.
Buck, I'm not going to argue on the high road. Simply stated, you're right, but I don't think I have belittled anyone's opinion on a specific firearm. The only reason I responded to the guy the way I did is b/c I took his comments as silly and denigrating. Thanks for your input, but I'm a grown man just like you. If he wants respect let him give it. Just sayin...While we all are entitled to our opinions, name calling is not really the "High Road". MrBorland is very knowledgeable and highly respected here on THR. While he, like many of us sometimes makes a assumption that is not accurate, two wrongs never a right makes. While many here may not share your personal opinion of what is "the best", and why you believe their firearms are not worthy, none have resorted to name calling.
......just sayin'.
In my mind, with my limited knowledge of trigger resets, it just made sense to me that that is what was happening...in short, short stroking is not giving the trigger enough time to reset. Is that inaccurate?
the absolute best combat/defense pistol is the one you are best with
Understood...thanks for your input! Enjoyable.Yes, that's inaccurate. Short stroking the trigger means you're not letting it come forward far enough to mechanically reset. Time has nothing to do with it.
And I said:I read an article today where the British Armed Services just purchased 25K Glock 17 Gen4 pistols to replace their current issue weapon. I found that very interesting, and will probably lead the way to the US doing the same upon their next replacement.
Why in the world would the the U.S. military switch to Glocks because the Brits did?... If we were going to copy the British then we would have switched to BHPs a long time ago - instead of the Beretta...
There's nothing dangerous about drawing from the small of the back if you practice doing it correctly.Even if the draw itself is dangerous? Interesting.
There's nothing dangerous about drawing from the small of the back if you practice doing it correctly.
Reach back and grasp the pistol grip, unholster with an upward motion, once the pistol has cleared the holster extend your arm downward keeping the barrel pointed toward the ground, swing your arm and the pistol in a very slight arc around your hip and up to a shooting position.
And with practice it becomes smooth and surprisingly fast.
Not really. It just takes practice.That's a lot to do properly when micro-seconds count.....
I can draw and shoot in 1 second, so you're definitely faster than I am, but not by much.It's faster and more consistent to draw palm-in from a 3-4 o'clock position, not to mention faster. As an example, my fastest draw using a 5" Colt 1911 from an IWB BraveHeart rig from concealment starting with my hand on the jacket front was a witnessed .73