Best CQB weapon in the non-firearm category?

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You know, if it hasn't been mentioned yet, an extremely bright and large flashlight (such as the one Black Bear makes, that I drop-tested yesterday- see thread) is the first thing you need to have.

Besides "lighting up the light", a truly bright light can temporarily halt and disorient a foe, especially in the dark at close range. If you're close enough, a large light can also be used as an expedient impact tool.

Yes, other purpose-built tools may be better for certain things, but if you don't have a good, extremely bright flashlight, you should make that your first defensive purchase.

John
 
I have something that will work well in the UK if I were to move there, and still will be legal to posess.

It is the MAG 951 with the Crenalleted bezel and the Quick Detach Swivel, the MAG 951 torch will output 951 lumens (almost twice as much as a Surefire M-6) so you blind them first, them you can hit them over the head with the flashllight heavy head of stainless steel bezel if you prefer the tonking method or you can use the Crenalleted bezel as a gouging weapon and go for the eyes.

The weapon is 13 inches long and quite heavy and sturdy with its complement of battery carrier and 9 AA batteries, it makes a GREAt distance weapon when swinged by the sling that is attached to the Quick Detach Swivel.

Let me see if the pictures can do the explanation for me:

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It even can be taken out of the house in England when you go for a stroll.

Bet I can go thru Custom with the torch at Heathrow without a hitch.

regards
black bear
 
I'm really very serious about the necessity of light.

Even if you don't get a large "bonking size" light, you should still get a powerful handheld torch. Even if you never use it defensively, you'll still get lots of use out of it, and you will use it in emergencies, regardless of the nature of the emergency: folks just need light.

Juan, personally, I'm not a big fan of crennelated bezels, but the glow inserts to locate the light in the dark are pretty nifty. :)

John
 
Is a cricket bat that bad of a weapon?

I'm not sure that British authorities are much fonder of poiny-stabby things than of guns (Britons please correct me if I'm wrong), and I'd imagine that "assaulting" a burglar would merit more than simple deportation.

I should start a new thread on the topic: "Cricket bat vs. Baseball bat for Home Defense?"


Although the Irish might have answered that one for us. I was listening to BBC news back in the mid 1990s, and they were commenting on how odd it was that North Irish thugs had taken to kneecapping each other with baseball bats. My first thought was that such seemed a pretty standard clubbing weapon. Then it struck me: "oh, baseball bats."
 
I think the idea of a farm tool is an exellent idea. No having to defend having a 'deadly weapon' around, etc. For a 'certain application' I have, I use a small military shovel, aka entrenching tool. It has a slightly 'V' shaped blade. I have put in a slightly longer handle (easy to customize the length to suit the need) and I have sharpened both the front end and the edges. Use it spearlike or axlike either as needed. I'd hate to have to face one!

A small hatchet, even a midweight shop hammer, might be handy to keep around also or maybe a small 'cruisers ax'. A good pitch fork with very sharp tines would be awsome. Maybe even a scythe in practiced hands. Ever seen a fire fighter's rake made with the sharp, tirangular teeth from a hay mower?

One is never truly without weapons if you keep your eyes open and your brain working!
 
although i do find the stick with a bit of poo amusing...

:evil:

and while almost nothing has "instant stopping power"

i would imagine a 18'' chainsaw would come about as close as anything.

and it makes a scary noise :neener:

its like the 12 gauge pump noise of the tool world.
 
MatthewVanitas said:
Is a cricket bat that bad of a weapon?

I'm not sure that British authorities are much fonder of poiny-stabby things than of guns (Britons please correct me if I'm wrong), and I'd imagine that "assaulting" a burglar would merit more than simple deportation.

I should start a new thread on the topic: "Cricket bat vs. Baseball bat for Home Defense?"


Although the Irish might have answered that one for us. I was listening to BBC news back in the mid 1990s, and they were commenting on how odd it was that North Irish thugs had taken to kneecapping each other with baseball bats. My first thought was that such seemed a pretty standard clubbing weapon. Then it struck me: "oh, baseball bats."
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I was thinking of the same thing. A cricket bat with the business end wrapped in duct tape to resist splitting on impact. It's not ideal, but it is cheap, legal, and better than fists and feet.

IMO, a mini Louiville slugger is superior to its big brother for indoor purposes. I don't know if they are readily available in the UK, but they are cheap and plentiful in the US.

+1 on flashlights. I take one with me everywhere I go. I prefer the compact high intensity LED type.

JH
 
howabout SUREFIRE's new "weapon light"

looks perfect for GB!

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a machete or a riggers axe as P35 has said.

in most of the third world, those not fortunate enough to have AK have a machete. Having seen the results of a couple of machete fights when i was in guatemala. believe me you do not want to be on the recieving end. (we had one guy WALK in to the school we were working on with his left forearm attached to his head by the machete that was still embedded in his skull...he had put his arm to block the stroke and failed. He survived the surgery but succumbed to the infection in his brain.)

A Riggers Axe is a wonderful tool. Designed to be carried by foundation form builders it is a tool of amazing speed and capacity. mine resides under the seat of my truck when not in my tool belt.

For that matter. Even a good framers hammer would be an awesome CGB wweapon if you learn how to use it. apply a wrist thong to keep it attached and go to town. the hammer swing starts with the head sitting right next to your ear. A downward snap of the forearm letting the wrist just act as a hinge can develop enough energy to sink a 16D nail with one swing. I like the Hart tool hammers best. The design has been perfected for a thousand years. The new douglas hammers have developed a big following amoung the new agers building the timber frames and other new old technologies housing. I have ot admit they feel great and swing well. sharpen up the claws and you got a winner.
 
Best CQB weapon in the non-firearm category?
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Chuck norris. No...wait..he counts as a restricted weapon...

In all seriousness, you cant get past a short spear when you in a hall way.

And a short sword as backup.

I actually have a 2' short sword i use (cant have a firearm yet)
 
In the days before I gained mental clarity, I was an assistand scoutmaster with my son's troop. On campouts, I was prohibited (by BSA policy) from carrying any firearm. Fixed blade knives were prohibited for the scouts, and frowned upon for the leaders! Being the suspicious ol' ex-cop that I am, I also pondered what non-firearm weapon would be best, if attacked inside the tent at night, or on the trail during the day.

Impact weapons (such as the hiking staff, are not really feasible in a tent (but are really great while hiking!). I wanted something that would prove effective at extremely close and confined quarters. That is, a stabbing implement! such a device could also be useful on the trail, of course . . .

For the tent, I carried a Western W49 Bowie, with the false edge carefully honed, and a razor-keen primary edge. It went out of sight (and out of reach) in the backpack, during the day.

For the trail, in addition to a 6-foot length of hickory, lovingly sanded & finished, I clipped a common folder to my belt. Well, maybe a Cold Steel Vaquero Grande ain't so common . . . If the Camillus CUDA Maxx had been available at that time, I'd have packed it.

Gotta say, archery tackle (slow, awkward, single-shot :eek: ) would be about my last choice.
 
Does his brother live anywhere by the country at all? I would think that having a pitchfork in the middle of London would probably label you an eccentric.
 
If he really wants an archery style weapon, he could go for a crossbow. I don't know what the legality of that is in the U.K. And, again, he'd have to practice.
Overall, it's a bad idea for someone not committed to the practice of Archery.

+1 to the Rigger's Axe. Fiskars makes some nice lightweight hatchets with polymer handles too. I have a felling axe made in this pattern and really like the balance.
 
I'm not at all familiar with self-defense laws in Britain, but it is my understanding that it is absolutely best to not look like you have "prepared" for an assault. :uhoh: Anyone with actual knowledge in reference to this feel free to correct me.

As such, innocuous items that double as pretty deadly weapons would seem to be the best idea. Cricket bats are practically ideal; anyone could have one, and you really don't want to get whalloped with one. I would not modify it in any way, unless that modification could be justified by its ostensible use.

Rigger's axes also would seem to fit the bill. I would not want to get hacked with one.

Mike

PS Ditto the light.
 
Gimme the cleaver!

A good old kitchen cleaver should be in every home. Like the rigger's ax, it's not something I'd want to face. It's also light enough that a female defender can use one.

Anyone who doesn't own one should try a cleaver. Like me, you might wonder how you ever muddled through your cooking tasks without it! A great tool that requires no excuses.

Regards,
Dirty Bob

BTW, the title of this response is an obscure Cheech and Chong reference :D
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

In a land where the elite like to blame implements rather than those wielding them, you'd best be careful what tools you choose to employ. I like knives, but tools that currently fly under the hoplophobes radar are a good idea. Hammers, hatchets, machetes or hedging bills, cleavers. A Cricket bat or felling axe would qualify, if you've got the room to swing it. I prefer hammers, a long handled ball pein or cabinetmakers cross pein hammer by preference, or a drywall axe. Not the heaviest hammers I can handle, faster is better than heavier here.

Anytime you're using short range weapons like a cleaver or a hammer in CQB, you'll be glad to have a shield of any kind. Buy or build a small but stout 3 legged wooden stool, holding it near the seat by one leg gives you surprisingly good protection on the left while you're bashing away with the right. And a good place to lay your knife/hammer near the door.
 
How about a sharpened shovel for some "gardening" it would fly under the radar if anyone came in and went "bump" you "Just sharpened it for some digging on the weekend" you can weild it like a pike and keep baddies at arms distance.

Also if you want a true weapon I would say go for a thrusting sword like a roman short sword or something more modern with the same idea.

bladed weapons are prolly the way to go as they arn't as hard to use in a leathal sence. But if you have the room I would think a good ole fassioned mace would cause quite a mess if libaraly applied to the head, arm, leg, body of a would be baddie.

-DR
 
Deathrider1579 said:
How about a sharpened shovel for some "gardening" it would fly under the radar if anyone came in and went "bump" you "Just sharpened it for some digging on the weekend" you can weild it like a pike and keep baddies at arms distance.

Also if you want a true weapon I would say go for a thrusting sword like a roman short sword or something more modern with the same idea.

bladed weapons are prolly the way to go as they arn't as hard to use in a leathal sence. But if you have the room I would think a good ole fassioned mace would cause quite a mess if libaraly applied to the head, arm, leg, body of a would be baddie.

-DR
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+1

A small sod cutting, drain, or poacher's spade would be a great makeshift weapon. Under one meter in length, most all have an almost flat blade with minimal dish that dosen't take a preference to it's direction of swing, and can be honed to a very wicked edge with a file and then a stone. (You're supposed to do this at the beginning of each gardening season anyway, to help it cut through turf and into the soil.)

Most of them will have a sturdy fiberglass handle. A small sod cutting spade can be used like a small halberd to slash on it's edge and corners, a poacher's spade can also thrust straight forward onto the pointed vertex on it's edge. All these small spades can be used with the flat of the blade in "less lethal" mode as well.

You can set it in a plausible spot, right with other handy things like a gardener's stool (shield) or a small claw rake (two-weapons, gladiator style...) and a pair of Wellington rubber boots to complete the camoflauge ensamble when you point out to the bobbies where you grabbed it from.

Just make sure you have a plausible garden...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...1054-2531324?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=228013
 
Some good advice has been given here regarding the need for caution. UK law allows you to use "reasonable force" to defend yourself or others. Trouble is (what a surprise), no-one will (or can) say in advance what the police, CPS (about the equivalent of DA I think), judge or jury (crucially) will think of as reasonable.

There has been considerable debate about changing the law to give householders the "right" to defend their homes, families, etc. without fear of prosecution. The government declined to do so, instead opting to "clarify" the meaning of the existing by means of examples.

I found this quite helpful in that the examples did make some aspects clear (this is the link: http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/householders.html).

But, I think it would be a mistake to assume that you would be regarded sympathetically "if you use something to hand as a weapon" and that something turned out to be an actual weapon (bow, firearm, sword and especially anything that is illegal to own, such as brass knucks, handgun, taser, H&K MP5 etc.).

I recall hearing a senior cop saying (more or less) that it was OK to have a baseball bat (not a cricket bat, funnily enough) by your bed just in case, but you'd be on thin ice with many of the weapons suggested (spears, for example). If you live in a town or city and don't have a demonstrable (and mundane) need for such things as a machete or a Granfors Brucks double-bitted throwing axe, you will probably be assumed to be a psychotic, sociopathic hoodlum and prosecuted accordingly.

I agree that UK law in this regard leaves a lot to be desired and I would give more weight to the safety of my family, friends and any other innocents than to some stiff-arsed CPS lawyer and their idea of what constitutes reasonable force. Some (most, in fact, I would think) of the "people" making decisions about this sort of stuff probably haven't been in any sort of ruck since that time at primary school (where they ran away crying to teacher after some girl pulled their hair):evil:

Having said that, *** is this "nerfland" business? Does it have something to do with the UK being "socialist" (as someone in another thread claimed)?:)
 
What's a "poacher's spade"? I looked at the link, and it looks like a useful little spade, but what would a poacher do with it?

One of those Swiss or German military surplus spades- the ones with the fixed hardwood handles- is a great camping tool. I reach for mine constantly for all sorts of stuff when camping. Bet it would take a good edge, too.
 
texascarl said:
Buy or build a small but stout 3 legged wooden stool, holding it near the seat by one leg gives you surprisingly good protection on the left while you're bashing away with the right. And a good place to lay your knife/hammer near the door.
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Carl's right: a small stool is a good "shield". Don't forget chairs as a weapon/shield at the same time. Grasping by the backrest and thrusting with the legs makes an ugly situation for an attacker. In a hallway, this would be a mean "weapon" to face, if it's used aggressively. A child's chair or small stool makes a heck of a throwing weapon. I'm reminded of Marc "Animal" MacYoung's statement:
There's no good way to catch a chair.
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Regards,
Dirty Bob
 
"Nerfland" is poking fun at the weapon laws in the UK, specifically the knife laws and the new push to make pointy knives unavailable. Without a knife, hoodlums will resort to sticks and bricks, so, in response to the "deadly scourge of sticks and bricks", the UK will decree that everything must be made out of Nerf... for the sake of the children. :D
 
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Thanks for the clarification:) -- I thought I was going to have to resort to harsh language (forgetting, of course, that "harsh language" was banned by Big Brother Blair last week).

Sadly, "nerf" is also about to be banned:fire:
 
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