Best CQB weapon in the non-firearm category?

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LOL when I read the 'farm tool' quotes, most of the population of the UK wouldn't even know where the nearest farm is, we're pretty much based around the big towns and cities.

Most of the stuff I have for HD would be frowned apon anyway, and for those that don't know, in parts of South London it's easier to get a 9mm semi auto than it is to get a taxi in the rain!! (handguns were banned nearly 10 years ago!!)

Where I live there is a shooting a week that doesn't even make the news, 7 miles up the road in Brixton there's a fatal shooting a day that again, doesn't even make the news, I only know this because of friends on the police force, oh.... and the gun fire in the distance. There was an armed chase, 1 mile from my home 2 years ago where the BG and been released from prison that morning and by the early evening had a full auto uzi:eek:
And shot up all the police cars chasing him.

As you can see, the handgun ban really worked, we can now all sleep safer.

Dan
 
perhaps you can interest your brother in a 'decorative' butter churn.

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hard to be a removable three foot hardwood shaft.
 
Just for the UK contingent out there, did you now that if stopped by the police whilst carrying a flash light without batteries in it you could be charged with carrying an offensive weapon, but the same torch with batteries in, dispite being heavier, is seen as just a torch:confused:

This is providing of course, you aren't caught in the act of clumping someone or acting a bit suspect.
 
Just to clarify things here, in the UK you are allowed to own weapons for self defence without giving an account for them whilst on private property (as long as you are not tresspassing) or inside your own home. Article 7 of the English Bill of Rights confirms and protects the Common Law right to have arms for defence.

Granted we in the UK have very restrictive Firearms legislation but as far as non firearm weapons are concerned we really should not be too worried about what we have by the bed 'just in case'.

The carriage of weapons (in public) is regulated by the Prevention of Crime Act 1953, which states;
"It is an offence to possess an offensive weapon in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse". (Section 1). The stated purpose of the Bill according to its sponsors was to "tackle the ruffian and those on the fringe of the community who would got out armed with a cosh, knuckle-duster or similar and terrorise others in the neighbourhood. Its main effect was to be not in the vast number of prosecutions, but the "in terrorem effect". It was intended only to "discourage" certain persons from carrying offensive weapons unless they had "lawful authority or reasonable excuse" while respecting the liberty of the subject.

The Bill only applied to the carriage of weapons in public places. Lord Lloyd (a sponsor of the Bill) reminded the House of Lords that; "It should be noted a person who remains on his own property may with impunity go around positively festooned with weapons. If he has a firearm he would need the appropriate certificate. His house may be a veritable arsenal. He will be committing no offence under this Bill".
Hansard, 14 April 1953.

Maxwell Fyffe (also a sponsor) assured the Commons "it excludes the whole class of persons who are on their employers property and doing their work. The night watchman who carries a bludgeon or a life preserver would not come within the scope of this Measure when carrying out his duties on his employers property".
Hansard, 26 Feb. 1953.

One can argue that the Bill of Rights gives the law abiding enough Lawful Authority to carry defensive weapons in public to satisfy the Prevention of Crime Act and in fact it appears that Police Officers derive their lawful authority from the same Common Law as the ordinary member of the public.

The Police and the Courts may well frown on anyone who prepares for a bump in the night situation by keeping a weapon per se but that does not stop you from keeping purpose built weapons for that purpose. All it really does is mean that you need to be extra careful about the reasonableness of your subsequent actions but that is not necessarily a bad thing IMO.

I heard about a case recently where a drug dealer kept an unlicensed shotgun for defense upon hearing his front door being broken down loaded it and pointed towards the doorway. In fact it was a Police raid and when he realised that fact he lowered his weapon and gave himself up. He was subsequently charged under the Firearms Act with possesion of a firearm with intent to endager life but found not guilty as it was proven that he only had it for self defence, his only firearm offence was to have an unlicensed shotgun. having a weapon for lawful purposes - self defence being a lawful reason is still legal in the UK.
 
Matt,

self defence being a lawful reason is still legal in the UK.

check this out http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-publications/publication/operational-policing/HO-Firearms-Guidance.pdf?view=Binary

it seems to disagree, at least when concerning firearms?
 
Link didn't go anywhere for me, Boom-stick.

Wasn't there a case of an ex-pat American clergyman, living in the UK, who was convicted for having a Derringer hidden in a Grandfather clock? Think it was in the late '90s. My memory fails me on the further details...

As for the non-firearm weapon question, there's still the chemical weapon option...:D A tutor at college once told me about his father, who used to work for British Rail as a guard. Used to have a pocket full of harsh old tobacco and a bloody great spanner...

As for me, I'll stick with my Katana and other pointy sticks. If you train correctly with such weapons, the space isn't a major issue, even -- as JShirley pointed out -- with the full length bo. Sure, it's not ideal for fighting indoors, but it can be done.

It's all about how much training you're willing to put in, I suppose.
 
Hi Boom Stick. Yes you are right that the Police and the Home Office take a different view regarding SD especially where Firearms are concerned. However it is importat to note that SD was considered 'Good Reason' for the purposes of the Firearms Acts until 1947 when as a matter of policy (not legislation) it was dropped as such.

For Section 1 firearms the Police have to be satisfied that the holder of a certificate does not present a danger to the Public of the Peace. As a matter of policy applicants who state Self Defence as being their reason to own a firearm are seen to present an unacceptable risk to the public.

For Section 5 firearms the Home Secretary has to consider each indivdual application on its own merit, if they were to agree that your individual circumstances could warrant a pepperspray etc they would advise you talk to the local Crime Prevention Officer rather than issue you with the necessary authority to own such a thing so its a no win situation without any specific prohibition if you see what I mean.
 
What about a kids baseball bat and a 12 to 18" scewdriver that just happened to be where I could reach it since I was adjusting whatever (the kichen cabinet doors and the baseball bat my kid left laying around). No premeditation. Just convenience.
 
A baseball bat is probably one of the few 'impact weapons' that a UK citizen can obtain legally after legisation was introduced that stopped the sale of truncheons and batons.

In the UK you can obtain edged weapons from any city centre but the truncheon is deemed too dangerous for ordinary citizens to purchase (even though you can still legally own them)

If your neighbour or a family member asks to borrow your old truncheon you may commit an offence by lending it to him (or even to leave it to them in yor Will) but you are completely within the Law to give him a baseball bat with nails hammered through it, or even sword.

Does not make much sense to at all.
 
I would second the staff option, a good 4' staff can do terrible/good things:evil:

I make a staff called a Jo So that is 4' long and has a unique shape to it that give a somewhat knife edge on one side, and a rounded adge on the other.
The best way to show the shape is to put the tips of your thumb and index finger together.

Good luck

jojo
 
Matt,

What about claw hammers:) :) :)

You forgot about claw hammers didn't you.
I've got a few knocking around and they are very legal and impart a greater wound channel than most projectile weapons and non-projectile weapons. I actually read an article on this many years ago that was a real eye opener.

It compared, cross-bows, all sorts of blades, .22 and .38, 12g all against the humble claw hammer, with blunt claws held out, it proved more dangerous that many other items that are currently banned over here.

Dan
 
Cane

A few years back I had the same thought, for a weapon that wasn't a weapon, could be carried anywhere (even on an airplane) when traveling, not appear threatening, and not break any laws. I ended up purchasing an Oak walking cane, octoganal, with a crook handle. I cut off the end at an angle, not enough to look threatening, but so that it was sharp and would gouge and cut if raked across the face. Added a little carving to make it look decorative. I tapered the other end and replaced the oversize rubber tip with a small button one. 1 1/8" thick oak, nice tung oil finish, I can carry it anywhere (fake a small limp if necessary), little old ladies pick it up for me if I drop it, and a good hit would with it drop almost anyone. You can poke with one end, rake the face with the other, swing like a baseball bat, and carry it in a bar, on a plane, is a restuarant, to the movies, whatever.
 
I thought the Brits had one of the finest CQB weapons ever devised, the Cricket Bat.

Geoff
Who notes those wooden balls accerlerated by said bat are also dangerous. :what:
 
Jaxinro,

Welcome to the forum!

A cane is excellent as a anywhere/anytime weapon you can carry that no one will question (I carry a Canemasters cane when I travel), but in the home I'd still go with something with a little more heft and/or the ability to cut/chop/thrust since I don't have to depend on stealth to the extent we do on the street.

The Canmaster videos are very good, but working with an instructor that can maximize the cane's use as a weapon is best. I was lucky enough to train with a fellow that just amazed me with what a crook top cane can do.
 
There are all sorts of possibilities for melee weapons. What about weapons that can be used at a distance ? Apart from the bow, I was thinking about spear guns, slingshots or some kind of spray. Good luck.
 
A spiked mace or club can either be swung or thrust and do tons of damage. Since he live in England a spiked cricket bat should be easyto make, or with just a bit inginuity he could assemble a good mace from cast iron plumbing fixtures for less than 10 dollars. I made one that has flail head that can be screwed on if you want, and it is a formidable weapon.
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A bo-staff, hatchett, tomahawk, machete or short sword like a dirk or gladius should also suffice.
 

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The UK has a strong mindset that PREPARING to fight equals INSTIGATING a fight. Any obvious or built weapon will look even worse in court than it does here.

The weapon shown IS a falchion. They vary in style, but are heavy. And that one is intended for decoration, not use.

I've made Viking style seaxes for customers in the UK. Any large CQB blade that you can pass off as a collector's piece would be good, or large (12") kitchen knife. Knives tend to have the best psychological effect (And spears). Our unlamented and not yet departed friend Charlie Manson said, "Everyone's afraid of gettin' cut!"

Small axes are excellent weapons (Rescue axes, Viking hand axes, etc), but don't carry quite as much emotional effect.

Whatever you get POLISH IT BRIGHTLY. Black and tactical is seen by many people as "weapon," whereas glittery is "wall display" and also more visible to the ex-scumbag-to-be.

For walking, a cane. In The Weapon, I have a character in a weapons free society (It was irony, see?) carrying a cane made of pipe, filled with 4 oz of mercury sucked into a vacuum, and capped with a brass head. It's a cane, parrying tool, striking weapon and mace with massive centrifugal and inertial force. Swing, snap into the turn, and 4 oz of weight shifts down to boost the KE at the end of the swing. I stole the idea from someone who built one. It WILL break bricks. Takes some lathe work and a vacuum pump, but brutal.

Of course, you CAN't pass that one off as anything but a weapon after it gets examined.

I do have a fan in the UK who he (And his wife) have pump Remington 870s and shoot "Sport." Takes some licensing and regular range time to maintain (Which is not a bad idea anyway), and they have two pump 12s full of #7 shot in the bedroom.

There's a Brit company makes a night table that comes apart as a baton and shield, Roman style. I'll see if I can find a link.

Never underestimate the power of a scream of profanities, a threat of mutilation and a motorcycle chain.

"YOU BLOODY @##$%ING HOODLUM! I'M GOING TO BASH IN YOUR BRAINS AND #@$%#ING FRY THEM IN #@$ING GREASE TO FEED TO MY @#$%ING DOG!" And bash a hole in the wall. Then scream and charge. (Also, if he's an average American, he's probably 3" taller and 40 lbs heavier than the type of scum who'll be breaking in. Use it.)

They EXPECT a victim. You just have to be that much more insane than they are for a few moments. (Hence The Bayonet:evil: I have.)

The bow would be okay down a hallway or stairs where you have time to react. Excellent, even. Massive thoracic hemorrhage will certainly be effective. Of course, the British press is now villifying bows as something only a deranged nut would possess.:barf:

When it is time for Ze RevoloooooooSHUN!, I vote that the press are the mindless jerks who should be first against the wall.
 
Madmike said:

"Never underestimate the power of a scream of profanities, a threat of mutilation and a motorcycle chain.

"YOU BLOODY @##$%ING HOODLUM! I'M GOING TO BASH IN YOUR BRAINS AND #@$%#ING FRY THEM IN #@$ING GREASE TO FEED TO MY @#$%ING DOG!" And bash a hole in the wall. Then scream and charge. (Also, if he's an average American, he's probably 3" taller and 40 lbs heavier than the type of scum who'll be breaking in. Use it.)

They EXPECT a victim. You just have to be that much more insane than they are for a few moments. (Hence The Bayonet I have.)"

I totally agree, but it should be remembered that what you say (or scream or yell) in such a situation can be"used against you in a court of law". If you prevail "with extreme prejudice" or anything approaching it you are quite likely, in the UK, to be viewed as the perpetrator.


I suspect that this has to do wth the political mind-set here rather than what the coppers themselves think is fair, but I strongly suspect that promotion follows conformity with that mind-set, so none of this is surprising.

I have had direct experience of this on more than one occasion, but I would still advocate a good bit of menacing vocalization. I was once in a situation where I was explaining to my barrister (in the UK, a barrister is hired by your solicitor (legal advisor/representative) to represent you in crown court) why I had issued blood-curdling threats in the course of defending myself from a guy with a knife and his friends. I said that I was trying to intimidate my (four) opponents and increase my chances of surviving. his response was:

"Yes, presence counts for a lot."

This from an experienced criminal defence barrister. He did, however, make it clear that it might cause problems with a jury. (In the event, the matter never came to trial.)
 
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