Best of the new 9mm's?

[needmorecowbell]

Hey all, was thinking about adding one of the newer 9's to the collection. Of the CZ P10C, FN 509 and Beretta APX, which one do y'all like best? Why?

Based on personal brand preference only, my 1st thought is CZ, then FN, then Beretta, but wanna hear from those who have handled.

 

[jjones45]

I voted Cz p10c because it felt the best in hand and had the best trigger when dry firing, although the trigger is not as good as some make it out to be (not a ppq killer in the least bit, maybe tied with or a little bit better than the vp9/p320). I haven't live fired the apx or 509 but I have handled all 3. The fn has a lot of small "problems" that are documented among forums/YouTube gunners and the beretta is a p-i-t-a to change grip modules compared to let's say the sig p320. My list of these 3 would go p10c, apx, 509. However all of these guns have been known to be reliable so I guess it's really up to you and your preference. Cz basically took a glock 19 and made it better in every way, which is a good thing because a glock 19 is golden in the 15 round striker 9mm game in my eyes. The 509 is basically a gen2 fns 9. The apx might be a little over engineered module handgun but is getting favorable reviews. I hate to be a fanboy, but if you want a striker fired 9mm handgun look no further than the walther ppq, especially with the $100 rebate which if you shop around can bring you down under $400 right now which is a steal for the superior weapon in class. This is merely my opinion and backed by my own limited personal experiences with said weapons. All three companies are great

 

[JR24]

I've yet to handle the 509 or P10c yet, but I really want to.

I tried out the APX and wasn't overly impressed. I'd put it behind the PPQ, FNS, SR9c and Glock 19, above the M&P for me tho.

 

[JTQ]

I've handled the APX and like it a lot. The grip is very comfortable and very good for those with small hands. The slide treatment looks odd, but less so in person, and is extremely functional. I don't know how it will affect holster makers, especially kydex.

I'd be skeptical of the FN gun. They seem to change their model designation every few years, and there doesn't seem to be much compatibility between the different models from the FN9/40/FNP/FNX/FNS/509. I think FN has been through all of these iterations in the last 15 years. They are all similar in look and feel, but are all different enough that they don't share parts. That seems to be a lot of indecision on their part.

This tidbit in the FNS owners manual burned a guy on another forum with a warrantee issue. Admittedly, he probably did other things that didn't sit well with FN, but this is what they hung their hat on...

https://fnamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/1608-FNS_OM_R5_final.pdf

NOTICE! YOUR PISTOL SHOULD BE INSPECTED EVERY 2000 ROUNDS AND/OR ONCE A YEAR BY A QUALIFIED GUNSMITH OR THE FN PRODUCT SERVICE CENTER BECAUSE DAMAGE, WEAR AND CORROSION ARE NOT ALWAYS VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE.

I have no comment on the CZ

 

[JR24]

^^ Yeah, I almost pulled the trigger on an FNP years back, then saw they had a FnX and were touting an upcoming FNS and got kinda worried about mags parts and support. Decided another 1911 was a more compatable choice.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I have only handled the FN so far, and I do have to say, the grip feels great, and the trigger is pretty good in dry fire. Really want to handle the P10C.

 

[needmorecowbell]

100% agree on the ppq. Have both the 4 and 5 inch of it. Also have CZ 75b and P01, xd mod2 sc and ruger lc9s pro in 9mm. The CZ and Walther won't ever get sold. I shoot and like the CZ's best. That's why I lean p10c, but striker could be whole new ballgame for them. Gotta find one to handle.

 

[TomJ]

I've handled the APX and like it a lot. The grip is very comfortable and very good for those with small hands. The slide treatment looks odd, but less so in person, and is extremely functional. I don't know how it will affect holster makers, especially kydex.

I'd be skeptical of the FN gun. They seem to change their model designation every few years, and there doesn't seem to be much compatibility between the different models from the FN9/40/FNP/FNX/FNS/509. I think FN has been through all of these iterations in the last 15 years. They are all similar in look and feel, but are all different enough that they don't share parts. That seems to be a lot of indecision on their part.

This tidbit in the FNS owners manual burned a guy on another forum with a warrantee issue. Admittedly, he probably did other things that didn't sit well with FN, but this is what they hung their hat on...

https://fnamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/1608-FNS_OM_R5_final.pdf


I have no comment on the CZ

I own 2 FNS', and this was a little concerning to me so I called their customer service department this afternoon. Not having your gun inspected annually or after every 2000 rounds does not void their warranty. They'll honor the warranty as long as no modifications have been made. Changing the sights is not a modification they're concerned with, only something that affects the function of the gun.

 

[HexHead]

Go with the 509. FN has put 1 million rounds through thegun before releasing it to the public. Brinks, the armored car company is taking delivery of four thousand of them this month, for all their guards to carry. Keep in mind that FN has been building the HiPower since it was introduced, they know something about building pistols.
The CZ feels like in the hand like they took a took a Glock and wrapped the grip with barbed wire.

 

[JR24]

The CZ feels like in the hand like they took a took a Glock and wrapped the grip with barbed wire.

This interests me, I love a really aggressive grip... but are you saying the FN has a smoother grip? IIRC the FNX had a very aggressive grip, one of the pros when I was looking at them.

 

[JONWILL]

I have a CZ P-10c. I love the gun. I have quite a few rounds through it. Not sure what is the problem with an aggressive grip. I like it.

 

[armoredman]

I voted P-10C, BUT, for full discolsure I have not handled or fired the other two. I would very much like to - both look excellent.

 

[ray15]

100% agree on the ppq. Have both the 4 and 5 inch of it. Also have CZ 75b and P01, xd mod2 sc and ruger lc9s pro in 9mm. The CZ and Walther won't ever get sold. I shoot and like the CZ's best. That's why I lean p10c, but striker could be whole new ballgame for them. Gotta find one to handle.

I have a 4" PPQ in 9mm and as of last Saturday a P10C. While the PPQ is a great gun, I rather prefer the P10C.

P10C advantages

• Grip shape/angle/texture (points more naturally, can stroke the trigger w/o the front sight waggling all over the place, welded to your hand)
• Trigger smoothness - has none of the grit of my PPQ (even after fitting the PPQ with the Apex trigger)
• Trigger shortness (much less pre-travel than stock PPQ, almost as short as PPQ w/Apex)
• Trigger break - I was amazed at how vague the PPQ break is when I got mine. P10C is much crisper
• Barrel - cold-forged land and groove perfection - PPQ barrel looks manufactured by Fisher-Price in comparison

PPQ advantages

• Trigger is lighter (although longer, grittier, and less crisp)
• Slide release can be activated by humans (although the CZ is wearing in)
• Mag release (Have polished the CZ mag release parts, it is now much better than stock but not mind-reading like the PPQ)
• Mag design (more compact and requires vastly less spring pressure).
• Slightly more concealable (although either is no problem for my largish dimensions)
• No dry-fire concern (if YouTube comments are to be believed, the P10C striker can be damaged by dry-firing w/o a snap cap.)

The serrations on the P10C are also very sharp and tough on the skin at first (trigger and slide release), but the edges are wearing quickly enough. The PPQ is lighter in weight, lighter in controls, and almost caresses your hands in comparison. The P10C feels like an extension of your hand, is rugged beyond belief, and shoots the lights out. I shot the P10C much better than the PPQ, and that's after training extensively with the PPQ for four months (and buying it an Apex trigger)...

If you are just going to feel it and dry fire it, the PPQ seems ideal. At the range though, the P10C is a lot easier to hit with for me - but be aware it feels rough-and tumble without any break-in. I could not get the 15th round in either of the supplied P10C mags at the range, but I've left them loaded since and the springs are easing up. If only it used PPQ magazines.

 

[JR24]

I have a 4" PPQ in 9mm and as of last Saturday a P10C. While the PPQ is a great gun, I rather prefer the P10C.

P10C advantages

• Grip shape/Angle/Texture (points more naturally, can stroke the trigger w/o the front sight waggling all over the place, welded to your hand)
• Trigger smoothness - has none of the grit of my PPQ (even after fitting the PPQ with the Apex trigger)
• Trigger shortness (much less pre-travel than stock PPQ, almost as short as PPQ w/Apex)
• Trigger break - I was amazed at how vague the PPQ break is when I got mine. P10C is much crisper
• Barrel - cold-forged land and groove perfection - PPQ barrel looks manufactured by Fisher-Price in comparison

PPQ advantages

• Trigger is lighter (although longer, grittier, and less crisp)
• Slide release can be activated by humans (although the CZ is wearing in)
• Mag release (Have polished the CZ mag release parts, it is now much better than stock but not mind-reading like the PPQ)
• Mag design (more compact and requires vastly less spring pressure).
• Slightly more concealable (although either is no problem for my largish dimensions)
• No dry-fire concern (if YouTube comments are to be believed, the P10C striker can be damaged by dry-firing w/o a snap capIf YouTube comments are to be believed, the striker can be damaged by dry-firing w/o a snap cap)

The serrations on the P10C are also very sharp and tough on the skin at first (trigger and slide release), but the edges are wearing quickly enough. The PPQ is lighter in weight, lighter in controls, and almost caresses your hands in comparison. The P10C feels like an extension of your hand, is rugged beyond belief, and shoots the lights out. I shot the P10C much better than the PPQ, and that's after training extensively with the PPQ for four months (and buying it an Apex trigger)...

If you are just going to feel it and dry fire it, the PPQ seems ideal. At the range though, the P10C is a lot easier to hit with for me - but be aware it feels rough-and tumble without any break-in. I could not get the 15th round in either of the supplied P10C mags at the range, but I've left them loaded since and the springs are easing up. If only it used PPQ magazines...

Sounds like I really do need to try that CZ

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

1. Best
2. New

Pick one!

That being said, I would be interested in the FN

 

[sigarms228]

Take a look at the new M&P 2.0 also. I tried it and the CZ P10C on the same day and liked shooting the M&P 2.0 better but I like my PPQ and VP9 easily better than both. The Beretta and FN don't appeal to me so I have not tried those two.

 

[Zendude]

It's nice to have so many high quality new 9s to choose from.

 

[stchman]

I chose the FN, but why just limit yourself to one of those 3 models? There is a plethora of 9mm duty sized pistols to choose from.

 

[hessy]

CZ P-10c for me, and i tried all of the above plus 320c. P10c fits my hand the best, totally reliable with all ammo I used (unlike PPQ) and trigger has short reset. I now own two CZs and the rest is Gen 4 Glocks. A couple of 1911 and my collection is complete.

 

[BILLG]

Sig P 320 would be my pick.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

Not a fan of the new 9s. A Sig P220, P229, or Beretta 92 will do just fine, thanks.

 

[valor1]

The Beretta is "ugly" like when Glock came out years ago but there is something in the handling that makes it very inviting to own. The P10C is also very good but the backstrap can be very annoying. Hmm. So may decisions.

 

[sigarms228]

The P10C is also very good but the backstrap can be very annoying. Hmm. So may decisions.

Another problem with the back strap is that the larger sizes do not increase the size of the whole grip like the ones for the Walther PPQ and Glock 19 Gen 4 do. I found the grip length for trigger reach to be very short on the P10C, even shorter than on my Gen 2 Glock 19, and changing back straps will make little difference. I wear XL gloves and the P10C just does not work for me and I have read more than a few comments that reflect the same. Interestingly the CZ P07 works great for me.

 

[ray15]

The Beretta is "ugly" like when Glock came out years ago but there is something in the handling that makes it very inviting to own. The P10C is also very good but the backstrap can be very annoying. Hmm. So may decisions.

I ran 400 full-power rounds through my P10C today and the backstrap did nothing more than lock the gun to my hand. My concern is the nubs might wear away (or least the edges) and the degree of bite might decrease. But even if you find it too agressive you can cover it with grip tape - which is what you'll have on most other pistols to give them more grip, anyway.

The serrations on the trigger are way too sharp, though. I've got a pretty decent blister on my trigger finger.

 

[hdwhit]

What's your criteria for what constitutes "the best"? For me a chief consideration is price, so my choice would be (and was) a Taurus PT-111, but since that's not on your list I went with the Beretta largely based on past experience with the brand rather than this particular model.