Best SD ammo for .38 Snubby

Man, I'm so tired of echo chamber answers on forums. There are no hard rules in the shooting world. What is good for one is not always good for another. Every shooter is different and so is every gun.

Find something you can shoot very well and can control in your revolution er and run with it.

Good luck and God willing you will never need to use them.
 
Man, I'm so tired of echo chamber answers on forums.
Then why... never mind, I could ask the question, but I won't...

It's not the "echo chamber," it's the collective wisdom of the membership... or so we should believe. I think I know what you were saying, but really, on occasion, folks chime in with some actual knowledge, so I'm not gonna complain too much (although, in the words of Joe Walsh, sometimes I still do) about the diversity nor even the bandwagon effect we see in answers to questions posed by OPs.

PS - I think there actually are some hard rules in the shooting world. I tend to stick with 148 grain or 158 grain wadcutters or JHPs, standard pressure in snubbies.
 
My choice in a snub would be 148 grain target wadcutters. They penetrate deeply, cutting a caliber-diameter hole the entire way, and recoil much less than heavier, faster bullets.

Most HPs won't expand from a snub.
Dave gave you the short version. I'll give you the longer version.

1. Target HBWCs give adequate penetration. Despite their lower velocity the hollow base keeps the weight bias to the front which makes the bullet punching through unlike most other bullets which will tumble.

2. Recoil and muzzle flash are low. Easy on you and your gun.

3. Reloads? Carry swcs. Almost as good and easier to reload.

148 gr factory HBWCs are what I carry in a j frame.




JMO
 
Most HPs won't expand from a snub.

That might have been true in 1975, but not anymore. Unless you are shooting a long out of production stash of old Speer JHP loads with the pinhole hollowpoint.

I've been involved with a lot of shooting and ballistic testing of .38 Special ammunition - professionally in LE and also personally after retirement. The various 158 grian SWCHP swaged lead bullet loads are very effective in a 4" barrel, less so in a 2". Plus the recoil is fairly unpleasant. While these can be handloaded to higher levels for excellent perfomance - or you could buy the very energetic 38-44 clone Buffalo Bore +P version - the recoil becomes much higher and you're ability to shoot accurately and repeatedly is negatively affected. I have used such loads in an old-school 2" S&W Model 10, but that revolver weights over twice what a typical 2" S&W J frame or Ruger Little Crappy Revolver does.

A lighter weight bullet is better choice, especially in an airweight snub.

When it was available, the Remington 125 grain BJHP +P was a very good load, hitting over 900 fps, penetrating 13-14" and expanding to nearly .60 calibre. It is still catalogued, but good luck finding it now that Vista ammo monopoly owns them.

The next best and available choice is the Hornady 110 grain FTX +P load. This also hits over 900 fps, penetrates 12-13" and expands to .50 calibre. Recoil is manageable.

The 148 grain wadcutter is an unspectacular load that generally over-penetrates through ballistic media and people (16-24"), does not expand, and at low velocity from a 2" doesn't have much shocking power either. Reloads are more difficult due to the flush seated bullet. While the recoil is moderate in a full-size gun, in an airweight 2" it's noticeable. Much better than carrying a sharp stick, but I don't think that is the best basis of comparison. Also, good luck finding a factory fresh wadcutter load these days. The 158 grain SWC load is more of the same thing, with an extra 4-12" of over-penetration, and more recoil. Again, these loads are obviously lethal, but not the best choice compared to modern loadings.

There are various other respectable loads out there, but they have various drawbacks such as limited availability, heavier recoil, indifferent accuracy and POI, and inconsistent expansion. The Speer 135 GDHP for example falls into this category... it was designed for 4" service revolvers, and the 2" performance is not reliable. The Federal Micro and Deep Shock or whatever marketing hype they are pushing out as flavor of the month don't have a reliable track record. The old Federal 129 grain HS +P is another loser in a 2" barrel. The Winchester 110 grain STHP is generally reliable and consistent, but penetrates 9-12" and you might or might not find that sufficient. The old-school Remington 125 grain JHP +P with lotsa exposed lead is still sold and used to good - sadly, the lots I have seen since the Vista takeover had horrendous QC and poor performance.

Be safe.
 
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I carry Federal HST Short barrel load. They are surprisingly mild from my 442 or 638.
https://www.federalpremium.com/hand...e/personal-defense-hst-micro/11-P38HST1S.html
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They are really light on recoil. Accuracy at 10 yards with my S&W 442 and 36 was not good, as I recall. For kicks I tried these in a speed loader. Definitely not the round you want in speedloaders. Same goes for my wadcutter loads. 🤪
I really wanted to like them, but alas, I’ll pass.
 
Federal 148gr lead wadcutter Gold Medal Match. It easily achieves adequate penetration from a snub, it has mild recoil, and it doesn't need to expand because it has a sharp shoulder that cuts a full .38 caliber permanent cavity. The wadcutter is the most efficient bullet shape for a non-expanding bullet.

It's what I load my 442 with. Many other snubby carriers use it as well.
 
Having both a 4" GP-100 (.357) and a 2.25" SP-101 (.38 Sp.), I reload for both. I'm using a 158 gr. SJHP or SJFP over a near max charge of W296 for both, based on case capacity.
 
Then why... never mind, I could ask the question, but I won't...

It's not the "echo chamber," it's the collective wisdom of the membership... or so we should believe. I think I know what you were saying, but really, on occasion, folks chime in with some actual knowledge, so I'm not gonna complain too much (although, in the words of Joe Walsh, sometimes I still do) about the diversity nor even the bandwagon effect we see in answers to questions posed by OPs.

PS - I think there actually are some hard rules in the shooting world. I tend to stick with 148 grain or 158 grain wadcutters or JHPs, standard pressure in snubbies.
Old Dog, I'm guessing you know very well what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the constructive comments, I'm talking about the stuff people read on the net, take it as gospel and then regurgitate back at you.
 
I'm talking about the stuff people read on the net, take it as gospel and then regurgitate back at you.
I get that, but that is kinda the nature of the beast, so to speak, on internet forums, and like I said, I complain on occasion about this stuff too. It just strikes me that it's like being upset with your puppy for acting like a puppy and chewing up your bedroom slipper that you left out for him...

Heck, we even had a member chime in a couple hours ago advocating for the lightweight fast-movers even though many of us seem to favor heavier weight standard pressure loads and even (gasp) non-JHP lead bullets. .
 
Old Dog, I'm guessing you know very well what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the constructive comments, I'm talking about the stuff people read on the net, take it as gospel and then regurgitate back at you.
As my dad used to say, "you have to separate the fly shxt from the pepper."
 
indeed my only complaint with wadcutters is the same point others have made: fast reloads from speedloaders are more fumbly. thus my airweight ccw snubbie is loaded with 148gr wadcutters and my speedloader is loaded with 158gr or 130gr ball ammo. i also have 38 cbc shorts by magtech, pretty much a 32long kind of round. i always carry at least one reload.

i’m not going out my door on a search and destroy mission with my snubbie, i’m just out doing some boring daytime suburban chores and needing to the ability to “get off the x” of an unlikely ambush. i like softer wadcutters because i’m most accurate with these 2-3 initial shots, which on average are all that most civilians need to break contact from a predator. if i need more rounds then i won’t notice the higher recoil from a standard round from my speedloader because i will by then be at war and my adrenaline will be pedal to the metal.
 
I don't have a snubby, but have Federal .38 +P HST 130 gr. Micro, Speer .38 +P Short Barrel, Remington Golden Saber 125 gr. .38 +P to use in my 4". Failing to find them, regardless of LGS "clerk" opinion, just about any .38 Wadcutter load will not bounce off most targets; Remington and Winchester seem to display the highest velocities. Easier to shoot than many SD loads. Hornady XTP bullets are said to have "stout" construction, and need about 850+ fps to expand. We shoot best what kicks us least. Thus endeth my "regurgitation.":barf::)
 
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Guess I will go with the Double Tap wadcutters for my primary load and the Hornady XTP JHP for the speed strip so I don't lead up my pocket lining.

DoubleTap Ammunition
Match Grade Full Wadcutter Hard Cast 148 grain
Muzzle Energy: 240 lb/ft
Muzzle Velocity: 855 fps
Funny, the box says 800 fps out of a 4" barrel.
 
A year or so ago I went through the same sort of thinking mainly because the store shelves were just about empty. I like to rotate my ammo after carrying it for a while even in revolver. So I headed to the range with 3 different type of ammo and did my own gel testing in the blistering cold.

 
A year or so ago I went through the same sort of thinking mainly because the store shelves were just about empty. I like to rotate my ammo after carrying it for a while even in revolver. So I headed to the range with 3 different type of ammo and did my own gel testing in the blistering cold.

I do remember how hard it was to find carry ammo during the pandemic.
 
These are the shirt pockets.

Anything you land between them will be remarkably effective.

Anything you land outside them will be a disappointment.

I prefer some sort of expanding bullet because "overpenetration" is a valid concern.
However, the internet "need" for a particular bullet is always way over-weighted relative to boring things like shot placement.
Once you make up your mind to kill a man, shot placement will determine the outcome. Not the choice of ammunition.

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