Best Semiautomatic DMR?

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On a budget Weaver rings can be a solid choice
Meant to add that, Badger (or other quality steel, preferably one piece with taper) if there is an unlimited budget. The Weaver rings are aluminum, but well made IMHO, and very good for the money (at about $30.00USD); only available in 1" and 30mm though (however if you use a bigger tube invest in superior rings).
 
lipadj46 - LOL, now an M1A is a "budget DMR". :D :scrutiny:

Well, I'm may be "the doc", but I ainno expert - if there's a conflict, listen to Zak and others, not me.

However, Nikon does offer a lifetime warranty on all their scopes, and my understanding is that the Monarchs are quite rugged. If it breaks, they will repair/replace without hesitation, I do believe...

Lifetime "Full Warranty": http://www.nikonhunting.com/warranties.html Personally I've had very good experiences with Nikon products across the board.

I prefer Warne Maxima rings for P-rail/Weaver rail uses, but do not doubt at all that the Weaver Grand Slams are quite good. For a "standard" ring (adjustable rear, turn-in front), I just use Leupold.

If you can swing LaRue, that'd be the way to go, from what I gather. Seem to be a lot of fans of Badger, too.

P.S. You're probably better off staying focused on just the rifle & caliber in one thread, and then start a new thread for optic & optics mount choices.
 
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I'm gathering with the popularity of the flattop/rail upper receivers for AR series rifles most scope mounts are made to fit or adapt to them? I just want to make sure I don't spend a sum of money only to find that the rings/mounts do not fit the upper receiver of my weapon.
 
Sounds good. And I gather they can accomodate most rifle scopes. I'm seriously considering the Nikon scope suggested by Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, and wanted to make certain that the LaRue mounts can accomodate.

On another note I'm seriously considering a Sabre Arms upper receiver with a 20" barrel chambered in 5.56...
 
Okay, the original poster has decided on an "AR" type rifle in 5.56 which of course means your standard AR-15 platform.

What kinds of ranges do you see yourself shooting with this gun?

Right now how tight of groupings can you produce at a true 100 yard range?

I think this will help find the best power of optic for your usage. I do think a fast handling optic with just some magification is usually best. A 3X trijicon is probably an excellent, excellent choice. It has great visibility in all light, plenty magnification to handle man sized targets at even long ranges, and is ultra durable.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/trijicon-acog-3x30-dual-illum-scope-ta33.html

I can't afford one, but who knows what your budget is. It may well be advisable to spend a few hundred less on the gun to get a few hundred more in the optics.

I suspect the guys here may be able to tell you some other rugged, low light good, low magnification optics, both cheaper and more expensive

Remember, the more magnification, the smaller your field of view will be, and variables, well, you pay a lot more for equal quality variable as you do for fixed. A 'battle worthy' variable is going to be expensive IMHO.
 
What kinds of ranges do you see yourself shooting with this gun?

Maximum range between 400-600 meters.

Normal shooting distances between 100-300 meters.

I think this will help find the best power of optic for your usage. I do think a fast handling optic with just some magification is usually best. A 3X trijicon is probably an excellent, excellent choice. It has great visibility in all light, plenty magnification to handle man sized targets at even long ranges, and is ultra durable.

That's the Army issue ACOG if I'm not mistaken. I was issued with an M68 Aimpoint for my M4 when I deployed. It's an alright optical sight, but I much prefer the ACOG because it doesn't have battery constraints like the Aimpoint.

I can't afford one, but who knows what your budget is. It may well be advisable to spend a few hundred less on the gun to get a few hundred more in the optics.

Hmm, sounds like a good idea, but what good's a good scope if the upper receiver is compromised?
 
The TA31 is the one used by the military. When upgrading from the TA01, they should have gone to the TA11, it has superior characteristics for shooting from compromised positions and on the move (exit pupil and eye relief), giving up only 0.5x magnification and a little size (I discuss the TA11/31 thing in the article). The TA33 is new in the last year or two.
 
They can if you end up with a 1", 30mm, or 34mm scope tube.

Doesn't look like the Nikon could be supported by the LaRue rings, but I'm still researching best optics.

On another note, I figure I'm gonna dump the bipod but still go with an upper receiver with a flattop rail system with provision for back up iron sights and a 20" barrel. I've heard some say Bipods on DMR type rifles suck because they throw the balance of the rifle offkilter and offer no discernable advantage.

I've also had a 1:7" twist with a 20 bbl recommended for my upper receiver. I've found one from Sabre Defense I like, but it has a 1:8" twist, does this affect accuracy at the 600 meter envelope significantly. (600 meters is the maximum engagement range of my intended rifle against a man sized target).
 
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1:7 is only needed for tracers-- all magazine length match bullets are fine in 1:8.

The Nikon has a 1" tube which is supported by LaRue mounts.

Thanks for clearing that up. Do you know much about the Sabre Defense Upper Receivers? I might go with the 20" barrel linked in the previous post and just keep the factory bipod. If nothing else I can use it for bench shooting and zeroing and just train to deal with the instability at standing positions.
 
Sabre's stuff is generally good, though I would put it below Noveske, LaRue, or MSTN. It's a good, solid factory rifle.

I can't tell what gas system the 20" has, but you want a rifle length gas system on a 17-20" barrel. Mid-length on 16".

-z
 
I can't tell what gas system the 20" has, but you want a rifle length gas system on a 17-20" barrel. Mid-length on 16".

I can always ask 'em and get an honest answer, right?

What are some considerations I might want to consider before purchasing a lower receiver?
 
You should be fine with a stripped lower from any of the major manufacturers. As long as the holes are in the right spot, that's the main thing.

Thanks for the advice. But do I also have to check if the telescoping stock is also rifle vice carbine grade (insomuch as the spring and the like in the stock of the lower receiver) or is there even a difference?
 
For what it's worth, as you might have gathered, I am a big fan of 1.5-5 or 1.5-6 type optics for a variety of rifle styles, including "fighting rifles".

I have a Sightron S2 1.5-6x42 on a Robinson XCR, I have a Burris Signature Select 1.5-6x40 on a CZ 550 FS, and that Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42 looks good too - it looks nice and compact.

These can be VERY fast when set on the 1.5x setting and you can use them easily with both eyes open - almost as fast as a true 1x optic such as an ESD. Which is why guys going to Africa put them on DG rifles.

My theory on AR15 / AR10 type rifles vis a vis objective lens size is this: Given that you MUST put the line of sight of the optic up high anyway, why NOT get the extra advantages of the larger objective scopes (40, 44, & 50mm), such as larger field of view, less blackout, more light gathering, more magnification, etc.?? The only drawback is a little more weight & size, and that doesn't concern me overly for most of my rifles.

While I'm a fan of SMALL objective ("DMR") scopes for other rifle types with low sight lines (I have a Leupold 1-4x20mm on a shotgun, a Trijicon 1.25-4x24mm on a .22 rifle, and Bushnell 1-4x32 on a .22 rifle), it just makes very little sense to me to put one of these (what are being called "DMR" scopes) on an AR15 or similar and "waste" all that space down to the rail which could be utilized to accomodate a larger objective!

Remember, that "less soon blackout" advantage (for lack of a better way to describe it) on the larger objective scopes is a very real one, as it helps with rapid acquisition over a smaller objective - this is true with both ESDs and traditional optics.

1:7 is only needed for tracers-- all magazine length match bullets are fine in 1:8.

I would agree with that - but the Sabre Defense upper that you are contemplating with 1 in 7 has no DISadvantage either, relative to 1 in 8" for your purposes.
 
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For a carbine stock vs. a rifle stock, the following parts are different:

* receiver extension tube ("buffer tube")
* buffer
* op/recoil spring

Roger that. Sorry for all the dumb questions, but would most lower receiver manufacturers state that their lower receivers are either rifle or carbine stocks?
 
"Less blackout" is a function of the size of the exit pupil (which in turn is objective vs. magnification), and having eye relief compatible with your body size/shape and how it was mounted. The TA11's advantage over the TA31 is this.

If you buy a stripped lower, it's not specific to either carbine or rifle stock. If you buy a completed lower, it will come with one or the other.
 
lipadj46 - LOL, now an M1A is a "budget DMR

I was more referring to the cost of the mount ($75), rings ($20) and scope ($250). Just to show that you can get good quality stuff on a budget.
 
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