Best state for gun owners

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by SodiumBenzoate............Vermont. Only place I know of in the US where 16 year olds can legally carry handguns. To school.
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That is only partially correct.

From http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/vermont

It is unlawful for a student to carry or possess a firearm "upon a school". The board of school directors may authorize the use of firearms for instructional purposes when facilities for such instruction are available.
 
Also from...........

................ http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/vermont

Places off limits while carrying (VT)


Title 13: Chpt. 85: § 4003.

School Buildings. (The law says School Buildings and does not mention Primary, Secondary or College So all school buildings, both public and private, are off limits.)
 
I think that Vermont has three places that you cannot carry a firearm. I believe that they are a school, school bus and I don't recall the third place. The third place might court houses.

I believe that carrying a firearm on school property is a Federal offense as well.

I'd probably say that the best states so far are VT, NH, AK, and a few others. I think that someone mentioned a southern state that easy permit process and low prices on high quality firearms. That state would get my vote.

I'd think that PA would be good, could be better if Philadelphia could be straightened out. I think that the easier list to assemble is what states are terrible. IL, CA, NY getting worse with fee increases, MA with high fees and restricting what you can buy those are the ones that I'm familiar with.

-Jim
 
Drizzt
TX ain't the best in regard to laws, but your less likely to feel alone in packing in TX.
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That may be if you count everyone that has a gun in their car or home. Those with a CHL are a very small % of the population. Less than 2% if I recall.

Smoke
 
Alaska, of course. The laws are great, but far more important are the LEO's, the average joes and the politicians. There is a very strong pro-gun climate here. So strong that it was a LIBERAL Democrat from Anchorage who brought us Vermont style carry. Our Dems often get high NRA rankings. Alaska is the last best place.

Hey, Gun Runners! Glad to see you're on. Let me know if you guys have a Sig 225 in stock.

For those who don't know, Gun Runners is the Young Turk among the South Central area gun shops. Buying up all the old outfits, bringing in all kinds of old and weird C&R stuff, and generally shaking up the status quo. I've got lots of good deals there.
 
The big problem with NH is its location--smack in the middle of the ultra-left wing New England. Ditto with Vermont. For true freedom, Alaska cannot be beat. Perhaps NH or Vermont have better laws on the books in certain respects, but I gotta tell you--laws on the books don't mean much here! Moreover, what good is having a right to carry if you have a bunch of antis living around you. And what good is ANY right if your neighbors get to tell you what color you can paint your house and what kind of grass you have to use for your lawn.

Me, I can quite literally do whatever the hell I want on my five acres. There is no zoning, no CC&R's and very few neighbors. I could build an underground bunker and a 100' observation tower if I wanted to. In fact that's in the plans.

I wake up in the mornings, walk fifteen feet, and there's my pistol range all set up. Tell me one place in Vermont or NH where you could set up a private range with no permits and no approvals from small men in stuffy offices? Alaska reminds me of Heston's line in "The Mountain Men." I can still walk a thousand miles in any direction and never call another man "Sir."
 
by Cosmoline........The big problem with NH is its location--smack in the middle of the ultra-left wing New England. Ditto with Vermont. For true freedom, Alaska cannot be beat.
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"Ultra-left wing New England?" Let's look at a few facts regarding RKBA. These facts come from..... The Citizen Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms at http://www.ccrkba.org/

Alaska

A minus
1. May Issue vs. Shall Issue- shall issue
2. Safety Training- required
3. Thoroughness of Background Check- state and federal checks
4. Persons Prohibited from Carrying- felons, some misdemeanor offenders, dishonorable discharges, habitual drunkard
5. Prohibited Places to Carry- law-enforcement and correctional facilities, schools, courthouses, state and federal offices, secure area of airports, posted residences and meetings, financial institutions
6. Licensing Procedures- $122 for five years, pass background check, complete training, 21 years old
7. Reciprocity- All state permits recognized; Alaska permits honored in AL, AZ, FL, ID, IN, KY, MI, MT, NH, ND, OK, SD, UT, VA, WY

New Hampshire

A

1. May Issue vs. Shall Issue- shall issue
2. Safety Training- not required
3. Thoroughness of Background Check- criminal and mental health check
4. Persons Prohibited from Carrying- habitual drunkard, felons, mentally ill
5. Prohibited Places to Carry- courtrooms
6. Licensing Procedures- $10 for four years
7. Reciprocity- AL, AK, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, MI, ND, UT, WY

Just because Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire, which by the way are all old time yankee bastions of conservatism, have Massachusetts to the south of them, it does not make them "ultra-left wing."

Just think about the gun owners paradise :rolleyes: that is directly to the south of Alaska. Hint: It begins with a "C" (not for carry} and ends with an "A" (not for arms).
 
NH is probably the best, but...

They still have "dirk-knife" control:

- 159:16. Carrying or Selling Weapons. Whoever, except as provided by the laws of this state, sells, has in his possession with intent to sell, or carries on his person any stiletto, switch knife, blackjack, dagger, dirk-knife, slung shot or metallic knuckles shall be guilty of a misdemeanor; and such weapon or articles so carried by him shall be confiscated to the use of the state.


Of course if you can have a .357 Sig, you might be able to get by without your "dirk-knife".

BTW, what is "slung shot"? Is this a Goliath-protection law?
 
Paolo, I think you (and CCRKBA I guess) are missing the fact that you do not need a permit to carry in Alaska. You can get one for reciprocity purposes, but you can carry without one.
 
Demise.............

by Demise.....Paolo, I think you (and CCRKBA I guess) are missing the fact that you do not need a permit to carry in Alaska. You can get one for reciprocity purposes, but you can carry without one.
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...........I am aware of that. Look at it pragmaticaly though, all of the other inequities aside, whether you have a permit to carry in Alaska or not you still cannot carry concealed in Alaska in the places that you can in New Hampshire and need to in real life situations.

Alaska

Prohibited Places to Carry- law-enforcement and correctional facilities, schools, courthouses, state and federal offices, secure area of airports, posted residences and meetings, financial institutions.

I mean c'mon, if you can't carry a CCW into a bank, when you are carrying cash or using an ATM in a bank lobby during or after hours, then what good is it?

New Hampshire

Prohibited Places to Carry- courtrooms


..........and just let me add this fact re: the only place in NH where we are not allowed to carry concealed. You can carry into a court house as long as you leave your firearm at the door with the sheriff's dept. deputies. You are given a claim check and you pick up your weapon as you leave the building.
 
Just think about the gun owners paradise that is directly to the south of Alaska. Hint: It begins with a "C" (not for carry} and ends with an "A" (not for arms).
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Hmm. the only thing south of here is the Pacific Ocean. I respect the bastions of conservative Yankeedom, but there's just no way around it. Alaska is larger than all of New England put together with only half a million people. In most of the state law enforcement is your rifle, with backup being a trooper who may or may not fly in next week. That's real freedom. The only problem areas are those occupied by the evil national park service, and that's not our fault. That's the fault of the rest of the nation and their desire to see brown bears frolic around the tour buses with no fear of humans.

And no, you are not allowed to concealed carry into Airports or Federal facilities in New Hampshire either. State laws have nothing to do with that. Nor do I believe for one second that you can waltz into a prison or jail in NH without giving up your iron at the front.

Looking at state laws on paper is part of the picture, but you folks seem to be relying on it to the exclusion of all other factors. That's a mistake.
 
Also, your info on Alaska CCW laws is way out of date. We now have Vermont carry PLUS the option of getting a permit for reciprocity purposes. No more special requirements.
 
by Cosmoline........your info on Alaska CCW laws is way out of date.
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Well here is the current law provided to me by the State of Alaska (LRC) Legal Resource Center:

AS 18.65.755 (places off limits while carrying)

A public or private school for grades K-12, including the school grounds, parking lot or on a bus while used for a school sponsored activities, unless the person carrying the firearm has the permission of the chief administrative officer of the school or the school district.

Any place where intoxicating liquor is sold for consumption on the premises, except a restaurant where the person carrying the firearm did not consume intoxicating liquor.

Any licensed child care facility or licensed assisted living home for the elderly or for the mentally or physically disabled, if the facility is other than a private residence.

Within a courtroom or office of the Alaska Court System, or within a courthouse that is occupied only by the Alaska Court System and other Justice-related agencies.

Within a domestic violence or sexual assault shelter that receives funding from the state.

Within any financial institution.

Within another person's residence, unless the person carrying the firearm has first obtained the express permission of an adult residing there to bring the firearm into the residence.

.................that last one is a doosie ain't it.
 
Alaska is larger than all of New England put together with only half a million people.
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Sounds good at first, until you find out that over half the land in Alaska is federally owned! :what:
 
New Jersey is, by far, the best state for gun rights. Where else can one gain a true understanding of the meaning of the Second Amendment. Where pro-freedom activism really means something. And where erosion of our rights is the greatest motivator for furthering core American values.
On a related note, New Jersey is the best thing that ever happened to the NRA.:what:
 
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