Best Tactical Rifles?

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This whole AR-15 segment of the gun industry almost seems oversaturated. I am looking various 5.56 NATO Ar-15's and was wondering who shoots what and how you like them.

I really want the new LaRue OBR 5.56, but it may be a little outta my price range. Other AR's Im looking at include:

Daniel Defense
LWRCI (probably outta my price range too, but badass guns)
DPMS
Ruger SR
Bushmaster
PARA
POF USA
Rock River
Les Baer (again, probably too expensive, but amazing nonetheless)

Is there someone else I should be considering? like I said, I am in the research stages and I am a bit overwhelmed at the moment
 
Really love my Stag Arms Model 3L. I'm a lefty, so my choices are considerably more limited if I want something that doesn't eject in front of my face, but they make righties as well, and in terms of quality, it's been outstanding. Never one failure in somewhere near 5000 rounds through it.
 
You aren't going to get useful information unless you provide us with an idea of what you are using it for and how often, price range, your preferences for bbl length,twist,etc etc etc.

If you have a specific question you will get many insightful answers to your questions, if you are just looking for opinions thats all your gonna get.

This is the type of thread that begs for the search function.
 
You aren't going to get useful information unless you provide us with an idea of what you are using it for and how often, price range, your preferences for bbl length,twist,etc etc etc.

If you have a specific question you will get many insightful answers to your questions, if you are just looking for opinions thats all your gonna get.

This is the type of thread that begs for the search function.
Yup... not to mention the various calibers which are available for the platform, and what they specialize in.

I've got a Colt (A2) Match Grade HBAR in the Delta configuration, with a 3-10x50 scope in .223. I wanted a hunting rig in the platform... so, I'm building a 6.8 SPC II in more of the M4 configuration... it's going to be a completely different critter.
 
I'd like to be helpful but posts 3 and 4 are spot-on. Also, some reading of prior threads will show you that there is a wide range of quality among the brands you list. And the two most expensive brands on that list (other than Larue) are very cool and fun to shoot but not necessarily best for reliability.
 
As well noted, depends

I have a Bushie Varminter in .223 with a 6.5x20x44 scope. That's because I whack critters at long ranges. This rig would be of zero use in a 3-gun match.

I also have a .458 SOCOM that's really good at heavy duty stuff at moderate ranges

What do you want to do????
 
I will agree with the above post except for one minor caveat: Spikes Tactical is every bit as good as BCM for the money as far as milspec rifles go
 
If the last two posts didn't make it clear, there are those who have settled on one company to provide the best value. As they see it.

Cost effectiveness of every dollar spent isn't something much discussed. Yes, you get what you pay for, sometimes you can pay way too much for what little use it might get. The point being some want a certain brand or type more for the bragging rights of ownership rather than the best match to what they will use it for.

Lately, two or three optional features have dominated sales - adjustable stocks, quad rail handguards, and piston actions.

1) Adjustable stocks offer little in return for the money. If you don't own and use a vest, you have even less reason to bother. The A1 and A2 stocks do what is needed, place the butt in your shoulder. Another $50-$100 won't give any MOA improvement in accuracy or targeting. If someone is shooting a thousand rounds a week in training, it might help. Otherwise, the majority of owners don't keep their basic skills up enough.

2) Quad rails are expensive scope mounts. 48" of picitinny rail is an institutionalized answer to fielding a lot of versatility in a structured organization. It's not leading edge or even necessary for the average shooter. Many hunters can't use lights and lasers legally in season, many just can't afford another $1k in accessories, and most don't have membership in a SWAT team. Simple handguards with bolt on rail strips will do. The free float will improve accuracy 1/2MOA, a better barrel will deliver that.

3) Pistons have their proponents. There still are no side by side tests that clearly prove they are superior. Given the majority of stoppages are caused by magazines and ammo the $400 spent could go for better ones, not the typical damaged surplus mags picked up cheap and shot with rejected ammo. I'm always amazed to hear of Tier One gun shooters using Tier Three ammo and brushing off the malfunctions. The insistence on only buy the best, what is your life worth? seems to ring a little hollow then.

The original tactical AR was not black. It was green. If it's tactical, it's low key and should go unnoticed, not stand out visually shouting for attention. This is where most decide to go for the bling, all black, fancy stock, quad rail with accessories, billet parts, and an emphasis on looking expensive. Really grabs the eye on the range.

I firmly believe that is the end game of most of the current buyers. The counterpoint is that leveraction sales and other traditionals have taken a dump. It's largely a game of marketing to the newer gun buyer.
 
1) Adjustable stocks offer little in return for the money.

Actually, one of the big uses I get out of my adjustable stocks is being able to adjust the rifle for new shooters who are just getting into shooting. It works particularly well for women and children who may find the same size I use to be a bit awkward. Otherwise I'd agree, except that I find the A2 stock too long in a squared up stance - the A1 stock with an A2 buttplate is about perfect for a non-adjustable, basic stock.

2) Quad rails are expensive scope mounts. 48" of picitinny rail is an institutionalized answer to fielding a lot of versatility in a structured organization.

Looking at some of the thermal videos of M4s lately, I think another advantage of a well-ventilated, aluminium handguard that attaches to the barrel nut (and not all quadrails meet all of these criteria) is improved cooling. If you look at an M4 firing with the double-heat shield handguards, the gas tube is getting much hotter (apparently from the radiant barrel heat). In another video with an M4 using a ventilated handguard, you can see a remarkable difference in how hot the gas tube gets with the same firing schedule. I suspect with a heavy enough firing schedule, the barrel benefits as well.

But you are absolutely right that for the average shooter, even one who is going to take some carbine courses, a well designed handguard with a few rail sections where needed is probably a better approach.

My main advice would be to understand how you are going to use the rifle and then buy gear that facilitates that use. If you don't understand the rifle well enough to know this, then the first thing you need is training, not more gear.
 
To the OP's question, the consensus over on M4carbine.net seems to be that Noveske, Daniel Defense, Bravo Company, LMT, and Colt are all top drawer. From a value for the money standpoint, Bravo seems very good to me.

Adjustable stocks offer little in return for the money.
I disagree with that, if you have one rifle that you use for multiple purposes. An adjustable stock allows you to run a stock short for HD, long for shooting from a bench, and intermediate for shooting offhand; allows multiple family members to shoot the same gun with good fit; and adjusts for summer or winter clothing. I like that. They don't add much to the gun's price, either.
 
Go with a bravo company upper if you want a DI .223. They are top tier and very impressive (and I don't really care for DI that much).

If you want a piston gun get an XCR. You can change calibers cheaply (7.63x39, 6.8, 6.5, 223). But then again I'm biased because I just bought one. Seriously though, they are great rifles. For about the same as an LWRC or a little less (depending on the model) you can have the xcr.
 
I own several AR rifles. One that I have a lot of experience with is the S&W M&P15. I have the "tactical" model and know several people who have the basic or mid-level models as well. I have never heard a complaint, and I've never had a problem with mine.

However, most of my ARs are custom built, which is really the best way to go from a price perspective. You can buy a cheap AR, or build a cheap AR and most likely pay less for the one you built, but not by a ton. But if you're building with high performance parts, you will see a ton of savings. This is especially true if you take the time to hunt for deals and aren't concerned with getting it built in just a few days.

Also, if you build you will understand more about the gun, and have all the tools to swap parts out later if you want to upgrade anything or if you have any issues you would like to fix yourself.

I will say that I recommend people buy their first AR off the shelf, so they get a feel for what options they like or dislike before building them into a custom gun. Also, having the instant gratification of taking the weapon from the shop to the range is tough to beat. But if you're really interested in ARs, and perhaps want more than one I highly recommend building your own.
 
Adjustable stocks cost very little for what you get in return. They tend to be money well spent.

I disagree. I don't won a single adjustable stock.

For the AR, I'd rather have the case of ammo and stick with the simpler fixed stock. An A1 fits me very nicely, has onbaord storage space for the all important cleaning kit, and does what I need to to.

If I need a compact weapon, I have the Uzi or AK. BSW

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That's your opinion and you are welcome to it but I believe that for the vast majority of folks out there, an adjustable stock is money well spent. I wasn't making an absolute statement, just a generalization. Besides, what does it cost to build an AR15 with an adjustable stock vs a fixed stock? The difference in negligible.

Lastly, I thought we were talking about AR15's here? Where did Uzi's enter the picture?
 
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