Best Way to Speed Load S&W 629 44 Mag

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Hi, I just purchased a S&W 629 44 Magnum and I am wondering what is the best device to purchase for my gun to speed load the revolver fast as possible. For my .38 Snubbie, I use the round speed loaders that seem to work real well and are not too cumbersome. However, I was reading some people talking about items such as moon clips which seem to be able to load the gun much faster than the speed loaders. What is best way that people can think to quickly load my .44 mag as quick as possible? Should I just stick with .44 mag speed loaders as I do with my snubnose?

Anyone have any suggestions of best speed loading devices/brands to buy for the S&W 629 .44 mag gun? SOmone told me there may need to be some certain adjustment to your gun if you use moon clips. Can anyone tell me what is involved with this?
 
The full moon clips will require sending your gun off to TK Custom for the work to be done. Something to consider and he does excellent work. You retain the ability to use the gun without the clips, also.

If you don't want to do that, the best speedloader right now is the Safariland Comp I. I don't care for the small knob, but that has nothing to do with the reload itself, just in the loading of the speedloader.

I have one made in Sweden or somehwhere, called the SL Variant. It has a spring behind each cartridge. Push the unit into the cylinder, it automatically releases and the spring loaded rounds launch right into the chambers. Alas, I cannot find these anywhere now.
 
As David E pointed out, using clips requires a very expensive shipping and machining step - I didn't get the impression that's where you wanted to go with this question.

Safarilands are often praised for their slicker action compared to the HKS. If you are comfortable with the HKS in your other gun, you may want to consider keeping commonality with that.

There are now speed strips made, but these are more for concealed, flat carry than speed.
 
Well, I'm going to thow my ton of disagreement toward's David's post (as respectfully as possible).

I shoot my 629 weekly in IDPA practice and in one or two matches a month. Let's say that's 500-600 rounds a month. I had a small collection of Safariland Comp I's and, UNLIKE the wonderful COMP III's and decent COMP II's all the .38/.357 guys use, the COMP I's are the suckiest thing that ever sucketh.

I've talked to a lot of shooters who have tried them and every one that I've personally discussed the matter with gave up on them quickly. The COMP III's are the fastest thing going (that you can find commonly, anyway) but they are significantly different in design from the COMP I's and the "I" version is just a POOR substitute.

And, of course, Safariland won't make COMP II's or III's for .44s -- not enough of a market, they say.

Some quotes:

I did try the Saffariland loaders in .44 magnum for my nightstand gun, when I used them at the range to test them, 2 of them out of the 4 I orderered would not release the rounds easily, One wouldn't release the rounds at all. I would never rely on a Safariland speedloader for self defense.

Your experiences mirror mine. Safariland only makes COMP1 style loaders for .44s. And the COMP1s might as well be made of pure dog poo, instead of wasting a few oz. of nice plastic on them.

Comp IIIs are really slick. Comp 2s have a pretty good following.

Comp 1s are an abomination.

And my first comments on them from a post quite a while back:

Avoid the "Comp I" model like the plague. I've owned a number of them for my 629 because that's the only version Safariland makes for .44s for some ignorant reason.

They are hard to load.

They are hard to release. As in: you feel pretty dumb straining and pounding on the back of your loader and cylinder repeatedly while trying to get the catch to release. As you dance around grunting and cursing the thought dawns on you that you could have reloaded faster with six loose rounds. ...
[pound, grunt] ...
Six loose rounds in a pants pocket. ...
[strain, swear] ...
Someone ELSE's pants pocket! ...
[veins popping out, sweat starting to run] ...
Someone else -- in another STATE! ...
[ammo flung into tree line]

Imagine how utterly FLABBERGASTED you then feel when they automatically dump one to two rounds out -- completely spontaneously -- in your pocket! Oh, and when they've dropped a round or two into your vest pocket they're even closer to IMPOSSIBLE to get to release the other rounds.

Actually, only one of mine was all that bad from the start. But they all get worse with use. And that's like a few months of use, not decades. I have one left that I was using just for holding my "make ready" rounds, but as of last week's practice it is in the trash.

I guess you could say THEY SUCK.

Anyway, all that to say, the HKS model 29 twist-knob loader is the best you're going to find, short of going to moon clips. They're simple. They work. They work the same way and with the same ease every time. If you practice with them, you'll get fast enough.

Moon clips will be faster, but they require getting the cylinder cut for the clips. That is certainly worth it, but you might not care to have a permanant modification done to the gun. I'm planning on it in the near future, but haven't done it yet so I can't give any reload times to compare between moon clips and HKS style loaders.

Of course YMMV! The various loaders aren't that expensive. You could buy a few and see what you like before you send your cylinder off to get cut.

-Sam
 
I have the M22 that uses the acp round, and I also bought a HKS model speed loader for my 625-6 in 45 Colt. I find the AR case works well with this speed loader and to my untrained hand, the speedloader and moon clip are about equal in speed to reload. The bulk of the speedloader is quite a bit more tho.
 
Strange, I shot PPC with Comp Is before there ever was a Comp II and did not have much trouble with them, until they wore out. But then that was .38 not .44.

As said, one of each is not going to break the bank.

There was an investigation on the IDPA board of a group order of SL Variant loaders from Germany. It died out when the price delivered to the USA came out to be about $50 apiece even in quantity. I have one in L-Smith/Python size (It actually has adjustment for spacing.) and it is a nice piece of equipment but it does take a good push to trigger. The feel of it is enough different from a Safariland as to cause screwups in my use of it.

I had a couple of .357s cut for clips (I am a slow learner) and found that long skinny revolver rounds in thin clips is an entirely different thing from a short .45 in a thick stiff clip. I had the early one that had no rear cylinder face left recylindered and use both with speedloaders.
 
long skinny revolver rounds in thin clips is an entirely different thing from a short .45 in a thick stiff clip

This is actually one of my primary reasons for not having done the moon-clip mod just yet.

I'm still shooting .44 Spc. brass. I'm really most interested in doing the moon-clip conversion when I make the transition to .44 Russian brass. The Russian brass is short and squat, like a slightly slimmer .45 AR case, and should work well with the moon clips.

I really don't have any need or interest in shooting .44 Mag. with the moon clips. I'm sure that the standard speed-loaders would support those long cases a lot better when lining them all up to go into the cylinder than the clips would.

The cool thing is the I'll have the ability to choose either, depending on what I'm doing.

-Sam
 
So, I guess moon clips perhaps is not a good idea for me? If I have moon clips, will shooting real hot and heavy ammo, like 300g Double Top not be feasible? I am planning on using this gun for bear defense and outdoor defense. The moonclips look real cool and seem to be the closest thing to magazine loading that you can get for a revolver, but I don't want them to hinder the function of my gun, nor break the bank. Also, if it affects the resale value or warranty of the gun, that is another thing I would consider.

I have seen a few suggestions for speed loaders. I think the advice on getting the HKS model 29 twist-knob loader sounds pretty good. I have the HKS speed loaders for my .38 snubbie and seems to work fairly good for me; I have managed to be able to instantly reload my snub with them. The only thing I don't like about them is the bulk, I am sure with a .44, it woudl be even bulkier. On a hiking trail, it probably would not be a big deal, I can throw a whole bunch of them in a fannie pouch or something.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks for all the good advice.
 
A couple of things to consider about the moon clips:

1) Cost to get your cylinder machined is $100 (plus shipping) and then a package of 10 moon clips is another $40, I think. The clips themselves are cheaper than 10 speed-loaders, by about half, but $140 might be a big chunk of change for something you're not sure you will like.

2) Ease of loading -- your mileage may vary. As Jim has said, the moon clips only grip the case by the base and 6 long cases may point far enough off-axis when held loosly by their rims to not line up easily for a super fast reload. This works great with stubby, FMJ/round-nose .45 ACPs in a 625, but some folks find it less than optimal with .357s or .44 Mag.

3) Durability -- again, it depends on how badly you abuse them, but a bent moon clip is useless, and usually has to be discarded. Grabbing a full clip out of your pack in a hurry and finding that you sat on it and it won't sit flush on the back of the cylinder and you can't get your cylinder closed might be inconvienient. The HKS speed loaders are pretty tough. I've got one that's been cracked for a long time and I still use it in constant rotation with the others. They're simple and they work really well. Sitting on one or other minor abuse just won't hurt them. Moon clips are great for the competition set because they're so darned fast (with short rounds, anyway) but those guys will also have plenty of time to check each clip and cull ones that get bent. And if one doesn't work in competition you might lose a few points on your score, but that's about it. Some folks have no problem trusting a moon-clip set up for self-defense, but I'd at least become very familiar with them before I did so.

-Sam
 
4Freedom. As I mentioned in my response earlier, to my untrained hand the moon clip and speed loader are about the same.

However, after reading the response from sam1911, I have to agree with him. I have had several moon clips bend and had to get rid of them. If they bend while your on the trail, your stuck. Maybe so, you may want to stay with speedloaders.
 
Ok you guys sold me on it. I will be sticking with the HKS speedloaders. Cannot risk bent clips, speed doesn't sound much much better and the price and hassle is too much. For now, I think the speed loaders are the way to go. Thanks alot to all of you for the great advice. I will order some tonight if I can find them online.
 
If you are looking for fast revolver reloads and have any doubt about full moon clips being a very fast reload take a look at This Video of Jerry Miculek's world records. I think he can reload a revolver with moon clips faster than someone can reload a semi-auto. (the reload is at the end of the video)
 
I've never had a problem activating the Comp I speedloaders.

Proper technique has the shooter pushing the body of the holder into the cylinder, not by holding or pushing the knob.

I do hate the small knob for a number of reasons. Refilling the loader being a big one.

HKS's are alright, but I've inadvertantly turned the knob that 1/16th of a turn pulling an empty loader from my pocket or pouch that's now filled with 6 loose rounds of .44 ammo.

I agree that a market DOES exist for a Comp II design speedloader for .44 and .45 Colt......
 
All three HKS Speedloaders, the #29, #25-5, & #25 will work with the .44 Russians, Specials, & Magnums. If you have a .45 Colt 25 or 625 Mountain Gun, the #25-5 can do double duty - the .44s feel just a bit looser in them. They really rattle in the #25, as it was intended for the thicker rimmed .45 Auto Rim cartridges. Another thought - the short cased .45 Auto Rims - and similar length .44 Russians - must be more visually aligned, as they are too short to reach the cylinder entries - the axle of the speedloader contacts the axle of the ejector star, limiting how close you can get. Not a problem with .44 Specials, of course. Rounded nosed bullets - even the Gold Dot JHPs - load more easily than SWCs, too. The #29 is best. I keep several loaded with 200gr GDJHPs in .44 Special for my 629s - for emergency HD use.

Re moonclips - they work great in a .45 ACP - like a 22, 25, 625, or 1917. The thicker (.035") 'clips and short, squat rounds stay stiffer - and, again, rounded bullets, like .45 ACP ball ammo, seems to be on a tractor beam to load - they spoil you. Now, whether my JM PC627 V-Comp - or my current production 627 Pro - aligning eight wiggly spider-like legs, be they .38s or .357Ms - is troublesome. I mention this because the 627's moonclip ability is akin to what would be done to a 29/629 - a vestige of the original cylinder's length will be present as an outter ring, permitting the cartridge rim to catch and headspace the round as it did originally. The moonclip thickness is necessarily thinner (.022-.025" for the 8-hole 627 moonclips), making them much more fragile. Availability drives the price - even from a manufacturer, like Ranch Products, where the blued .45 ACP moonclips are $35/100 delivered and the 8-hole .357Ms are $75/100 delivered. No telling what the .44s will run. BTW, I would never carry moonclipped .45 ACPs in anything but a jacket pocket - and then just for a SPC competition.

Don't get me wrong - I keep 200+ moonclips full for my 625JM now. It's easier to carry a metal ammo box with layers of them loaded when I either have a day planned - or am expecting Zombies. I now have sixty of the eight holers kept loaded for my 627s, again for range use, and stowed in five food containers. They load into my range bag more easily that way. While more troublesome/time consuming to load than the HKS #587 with Specials or Magnums is with my 5" h-l 686+, they are the 'only' game in town. Again, I keep a couple of moonclips with +P .38 158gr LHPSWCs for HD, if needed. BTW, I have carried an HKS #CA44 loaded with five .44 Special 200gr Gold Dots for years in my pocket to back up my 296 - and never dumped them in said pocket. I would never carry a thicker .45 ACP moonclip load in a pocket, much less a thinner clipped reload. That's a good self-defender round for thin-skinned predators - I get GA Arms loads in new Starline brass, having had a CCI Blazer variant burst in a SS cylinder. Besides - price and a new piece of .44 Special brass is nice.

Stainz
 
Has anyone tried the Maxfire re-loaders?

They are solid rubber design and I've hear some people swear by them:

http://www.speedloaders.com/

Not trying to hock anyone's wares just want to find some first hand comments. Been burnt by second hand reports before like others.


Stay safe,

Page
 
Relative to Maxfire speedloaders Grant Cunningham on his blog ( http://www.grantcunningham.com/index.html ) had some comments about possible bent cranes and such. This discussion came up on one of the boards and some had the retort that the bent cranes and other problems came from incorrect use.

Relative to the cost of SL speedloaders from Germany I wonder if the price would be less if obtained from Hermann's Guns down in Aussie land:

http://www.sportingguns.com.au/UsedGuns/speedLoader.html
 
4Freedom,

Are you needing to reload all charge holes fast for competition?

The reason I ask is, I have another suggestion.

Speed Strips. Someone is making speed strips to fit .44 mag now-a-days. If memory serves, Stephen Camp has shared about these, so do a search under his name.

The ones I and mine used, were made using leather and rubber. I was mentored to "get four in the gun now!"

Not competition, instead what I and mine carried and used in our work. My /our "car gun" was a Model 29 often.

You see, we put 4 rounds of .38spl, standard pressure, 158 gr LSWC in Speed Strips.
Get 4 in the gun now!

It did not matter if others we worked with carried a Smith & Wesson, Colt, Ruger, or if dedicated .38spl, or .357, nor did it matter if the gun held five rounds or six.

Serious situation hits, Get 4 in the gun now!.

Yes, we did our "lessons" and "set ups" which folks call training and stages today with "get four in the gun now".

Just a thought, granted an old school one.
 
RugRev,

Thanks for the post and link! That is them.

Gordon,
your take is always appreciated as I have a helluva lot of respect for you.

.22 Rim-fire.

Hot dang! They gots strips for rim-fire!
That is neater than all get out!
That would work so neat with my break top, 7 shot, revolver.
[H&R "22 Special"]
Oh, and work great with a single shot .22 rifle.

I need .38spl, and .22 rim-fire strips.
Granted I want .44 and some others, just I do not have the guns anymore.
Maybe someday I can replace some stuff.
Like a good old used single shot rifle, like a Rem 514.
'Nuther Model 29 and other .44 Mag

Gordon, you gotta get the .410 ones ( if you don't have already) and check these out with your .410 shotguns.
 
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