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Better Value Than CZ .22lr Rifle For Accurate Plinking?

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  1. Phydeaux642

    Phydeaux642 Member

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    I think I want a rifle in .22lr for accurate range plinking out to 25 yards (indoor range, and that's the max). I am pretty sure that I want to use sights instead of a scope. Are there better values than the CZ stuff or should I just head that way?
     
  2. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Head that way



    You would have better luck locating the fountain of youth, or eldorado. :)
     
  3. joe_kidd

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    Perhaps, perhaps Savage may come closest of any of the other manufacturers?
     
  4. Big Daddy Grim

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    Cz no better for open sight shooting took an Elk last year at 176 yds with open sight CZ 550.
     
  5. toivo

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    CZ is a great choice there. Marlin or Savage would be a bit cheaper (depending on the model), but the iron sights aren't as good.
     
  6. aka108

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    Some are less expensive but none are any better for 3X the price.
     
  7. MIL-DOT

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    My research on the subject led me to ordering a CZ 452 .22 just yesterday.
    If there was a better rifle in this price range, I'd have bought it.
     
  8. BamBam-31

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    The CZ 452 has excellent iron sights and is very accurate. It's really hard to beat if you're wanting teeny-tiny groups.

    For all-around plinking, however, I find the Marlin 39a and Ruger 10/22 lots more fun (and plenty accurate, to boot). My CZ just stays home nowadays.
     
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  9. 9mmepiphany

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    if you really want to use open sights...i think there is a better value, but you may not want to go to the trouble of finding one. it also isn't as pretty.

    my best "value" .22lr boltaction is the Romainian M-69...sometimes call the Romo Trainer. i got mine at Big 5 for $79 and they were in SGN for $49. i think the going rate is about $150

    it has an outstanding set of open sights. it has a hooded front and a 3-leaf folding rear sight
     
  10. IndianaBoy

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    If you were going to scope it I would have said savage. Iron sight shooting... No question get the cz.
     
  11. Schleprok62

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    Why does everyone forget that Remington has a great .22lr bolt action for about $100 less than the CZ, and is every bit as accurate... hey, $100 worth of .22lr is a lot of plinking... ;)

    The Remington Model Five

    I have the European Walnut model and it looks great, and shoots great also... comes with iron sites adjustable for windage too...

    Cheers...
     
  12. atblis

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    Huh

    Is that a Zastava? I hope there better than the previous imported ones, otherwise they don't compare to the CZs.
     
  13. rangerruck

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    though I am a huge cz fan, if only going to shoot open sites, then get the Lux, which has fully adjustable rear site assy. otherwise, I would actually do something which may be considered stupid; a remmington 597. For under 180 bucks, this is the only 22 made, that comes with fully adjustable rear site assy.,...
     
  14. 9mmepiphany

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    i paid $270 for my CZ452 from CDNN but it's only in the stock department that it compares to my Romo. i looked at the Remington 5 but it just didn't "feel" right. it looked better than my Romo, but just felt ackward.

    the CZ's was a better value than my Anschutz or my Weatherby. not as pretty or as accurate, but for 1/4 the price...a better value
     
  15. toivo

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    Yup, that's what it is. And the Winchester Wildcat is a TOZ-78. Re-badged imports: That seems to be the trend these days.
     
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    (QUOTE) " though I am a huge cz fan, if only going to shoot open sites, then get the Lux, which has fully adjustable rear site assy. otherwise, I would actually do something which may be considered stupid; a remmington 597. For under 180 bucks, this is the only 22 made, that comes with fully adjustable rear site assy.,..."

    I'm confused ( granted, I've been drinking :D ) but,if the Lux has a "fully adjustable rear site assy ", how is the Remington 597 the "only .22 made that comes with fully adjustable rear site assy..."?
     
  17. woof

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    For plinking fun I like my Henry but no question my cz 452 drips quality and is more accurate than I will ever be.
     
  18. rangerruck

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    the remmy is semiauto...and can be found for under 180 bucks, including tax...
     
  19. rangerruck

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    toivo is right, just read an article, that if you want a nice , repeat NICE boltie, all will be imports, unless you wanna go with a t/c , kimber , or cooper, but you will spend some duckies for them...
    marlin, savage, and ruger all make cheaper bolties, and they are usually very accurate(maybe not the ruger), but with the marlin or savage, would you really call them very nice, beautifully made bolties?
    Proly not.
     
  20. cliffy

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    Ruger's Work Hard

    A model 77 Ruger rimfire bolt-action is a quality firearm. My Ruger 77 is a centerfire, but my rimfire Mark III works just fine and actually is super-accurate with CCI ammo, especially CCI Velocitors. cliffy
     
  21. atblis

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    Ruger 77/22 is ~$550. Not worth it at all.

    You can get a CZ trainer for $320.
     
  22. Danny Creasy

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    The United States Bench Rest Association has an

    official bench rest target that consists of 28 bulls (3 for sighters and 25 for score) that each have a tenth of an inch 10 ring. It is fired at from 50 yards in 20 minutes with a possible score of 250-50X using heavy weight unlimited, medium weight custom, and factory sporter weight .22 rimfire rifles. We have been having local rimfire benchrest matches for almost a year now. My shooting passion is all about rimfire sporters and I have thoroughly enjoyed seeing the high and low end factory sporters shoot it out.

    For what it's worth, here are our results in Sporter Class since we started these matches in 2007:

    November 2007

    223-2X Danny Creasy, CZ 452 American, Swift 6-18X44, SK Pistol Match
    215-4X Barry Holmes, Cooper 57-M, Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14, SK Pistol Match
    214-3X Willie Rhodes, CZ 452 American (left hand model), Simmons Master 6-18, Wolf ME
    44-0X David Hollimon, Marlin 39A, Bushnell 3.5-10X40, CCI Mini Mag (Equipment Issues)

    December 2007

    Barry Holmes, 219-1X, Cooper 57M, Leupold VariXIII 4.5-14, SK Pistol Match
    Danny Creasy, 216-2X, Anschutz 1710, Weaver V-16, Eley Biathlon EPS
    Willie Rhodes, 215-1X, CZ 452 American, Simmons ProHunter 6-18, Wolf ME
    David Hollimon, 212-0X, CZ Varmint, Redfield Accu-Trac 6-18, SK Std Plus
    David King, 193-0X, CZ 452 Special, Leupold 4X, Winchester Supreme

    January 2008

    called over weather (I never will hear the end of that one)

    February 2008

    220-1X Willie Rhodes, CZ 452 American Barska Black Hawk 8-32X42, Wolf ME
    218-1X Danny Creasy, Kimber Hunter, BSA Platinum 36X44, SK Std Plus
    215-2X Barry Holmes, Cooper 57M, Leupold Vari-X III 4.5X14, SK Pistol Match
    189-0X Peary Willard, Savage MKII FV, Barska Varmint 6.5-20, Federal Champion
    186-0X David Hollimon, Thompson Center R-55, Simmons 22 Mag 3-9X32, CCI Std Vel

    March 2008

    219-1X Danny Creasy Kimber Hunter SK Pistol Match
    213-1X David King CZ 452 American SK Std Plus
    188-1X Tony Gilmore Savage Mk II Classic Aguila Golden Eagle

    April 2008

    Dwight Pilkilton, 216-0X, Biathlon Basic, Weaver V-16, Wolf MT
    Danny Creasy, 214-1X, Remington 541-THB, Swift 6-18X44, Eley Biathlon EPS
    Tony Gilmore, 202-1X, Savage Mk II BV, Tasco World Class Target 6-25X44, Fed Gold Metal
    Willie Rhodes, 201-1X, CZ 452 American, Barska 8-32X42, Wolf Match Extra
    David King, 200-1X, CZ 452 Lux, Nikko Stirling Nighteater 4-10X40, Wolf MT
    Peary Willard, 199-1X, Savage Mk II heavy barrel accu-trigger, Barska Varmint 6.5-20, Fed Champion SV
    Richard Strickland, 196-2X, Biathlon Basic, Swift 6-24X50, Aguila

    May 2008

    229-1X Tim Blacklidge CZ 452 Varmint BSA 6-24 Lapua
    225-2X Danny Creasy Kimber Hunter BSA 36X44 Fiocchi 340 Biathlon
    213-1X Tony Gilmore Savage Mk II Tasco Federal Gold Metal
    213-1X Willie Rhodes CZ 452 American Barska 8-36X42 SK Std Plus
    210-2X Paul Enlow Biathlon Basic Swift 6-24X50 Aguila Std Velocity
    209-0X Barry Holmes Browning A-Bolt Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14 SK Pistol Match
    209-0X Dwight Pilkilton Biathlon Basic Weaver V-16 Wolf MT
    202-1X Richard Strickland Biathlon Basic Swift 6-24X50 Aguila Std Plus
    200-2X Charlie Seigfried Mauser Leupold Lapua
    194-0X Jon Stratton Remington Model 5 Nikon fixed 4X40 Remington Sub Sonic
    174-1X David King CZ 452 Special Nikon Monarch 3-9 SK Std Plus
    174-0X Peary Willard Kimber 82 Leupold Federal Champion Standard

    June 2008

    220-3X, Tim Blacklidge, CZ American, Weaver V-16, Lapua Midas L
    219-3X, Danny Creasy, Anschutz 1710, Weaver V-16, Lapua Master M
    214-0X, Willie Rhodes, CZ American, BSA 3-9, SK Match
    210-0X, Bart Harkins, CZ American, Leupold VX II 6-18X40, ammo ?
    209-1X, Charles Seifreid, CZ American, Pine Ridge 6-18X40, Lapua M
    203-1X, Tony Gilmore, Savage MK II BV, Tasco World Class 6-24X44, Federal Gold Metal
    202-0X, Peary Willard, Savage Mk II FV, Barska 6.5-20, Federal Champion Target
    198-2X, David King, CZ 452 American, Nikko Sterling 4-10, SK Std Plus
    197-1X, Dwight Rickard, Anschutz 1416 HB, Leupold 6.5-20, Eley EPS Black Box
    191-0X, David Hollimon, CZ 452 American, Simmons 22 Mag, Wolf ME
    188-0X, James Kimbrough, Savage Mk II, Tasco World Class, ammo ?
    180-0X, Jack Belew, Savage Mk II, Tasco 40X, Eley Club
    178-0X, Barry Holmes, Cooper 57M, Leupold Vari X III 4.5-14, SK Std Plus
    177-1X, Anedra Gilmore, Savage Mk II, Tasco World Class 6-24X44, Federal Gold Metal
    157-0X, Reece Stewart, Ruger 77/22, Aguila Match Black Box
    118-0X, Gene Nobinger, Marlin 39, Simmons 3-9, Remington Yellow Jacket

    July 2008

    229 – 0X – Tony Gilmore – Savage MKII BV – Tasco World Class - Eley Match
    228 – 1X – Willie Rhodes – CZ 452 American – BSA – SK Match
    227 – 1X – Anedra Gilmore – Savage MKII – Tasco World Class - Eley Match
    224 – 2X – David King – CZ 452 Ultra Lux – Tasco – SK Std.
    223 – 3X – Richard Strickland - CZ 452 Varmint – Tasco – Eley Club
    221 – 0X – Dwight Rickard – Anshutz 416D HB – Leupold – Wolf ME
    207 – 1X – Peary Willard – Savage MKII FV – Barska – Aguila SE std.
    197 – 3X – Ricky King – CZ 452 – Center Point – CCI Blazer
    194 – 3X - Tim Blacklidge – CZ 452 American – Weaver – Lapua M
    144 – 0X – Gene Nobinger - Marlin 39 – Simmons – Fed. Auto Match

    August 2008

    231-1X, Tony Gilmore, Savage Mk II, Tasco 6-24, Eley EPS
    224-1X, Danny Creasy, Kimber Hunter, Weaver T-36, SK Subsonic
    219-0X, Tim Blacklidge, CZ American, Weaver 6.5-20, SK Pistol Match
    215-2X, Barry Holmes, Cooper 57M, Weaver V-16, Lapua Master M
    214-1X, Bart Harkins, CZ American, Leupold 6-18X40, SK Match
    212-0X, David King, Weatherby Mk XXII (Anschutz), Nikko Sterling, SK Std Plus
    207-2X, Peary Willard, Savage MK II, Barska 6.5-20X50, Aguila SE Std Velocity
    206-3X, Randy King, Savage Mk II, Tasco 24, Wolf MT
    197-1X, Willie Rhodes, CZ American, BSA, SK Match
    195-0X, David Hollimon, CZ 452 American, Bushnell 4.5-10, Win T-22
    191-2X, Ricky King, CZ Ultra Lux, Center Point 4-16, CCI Blazer
    163-0X, Gene Nobinger, Marlin 39-A, 9-32, CCI Std Vel
    162-1X, James Kimbrough, Mossberg 802, Simmons 3-12X50, Remington Thunderbolt

    Yall be safe and have fun shooting.

    Danny Creasy
     
  23. elmerfudd

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    I see a lot of Tasco's, Barska's, BSA's and Simmons in that list. You benchrest guys obviously haven't learned that those scopes will just self-destruct on you and won't hold a zero.
     
  24. Danny Creasy

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    I am sure real sanctioned match level benchrest .....

    shooters would be repulsed by our mish mash of cheap glass and cheap rifles. But, it's just some local folks bringing whatever they have to the range for friendly competition.

    Usually, somebody comes to the range and shoots once or just observes a match. They quickly realize that if you can't see the target, you can't hit it. So, they know they need more power. Most are not willing to spend two to three times what their rifle is worth for a +20 power Leupold or even a Weaver. So, they get a big cheap scope to start with.

    Actually, they seem to hold up quite well. All most of us do is carry the rifle back and forth to the range in a rifle case and there is usually plenty of sun to negate the poor light gathering ability and finally, the brutal recoil of the .22 long rifle round does not seem to snap many cheap reticles.
     
  25. elmerfudd

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    That last post was meant in jest. I probably should have used a smiley.

    I've done pretty well with my own cheap scopes. I've even got a $50 2-7x BSA airgun scope that has held up for several hundred rounds after being used on both an FAL and a Saiga .308. I even bumped fired the Saiga a few times with it on there and it still holds zero. It's not quite as clear as my Leupold EFR, but the focus isn't all that bad either.

    On the other hand, I've become pretty disillusioned with the 6-24x BSA I've got on my primary hunting airgun. It holds a zero, but it's just not as clear or as bright as I would like it to be and it's magnification is overkill.
     
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