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Bill Ruger has been dead for a long time now. I could care less what happened two decades ago. Ruger makes some great stuff. I own 4 of them and all are top notch. Not a single one has given me a problem.

As far as the KT debate, the LCP is much nicer. It does not jam, it has a slide stop, it looks nice, and it does not fall apart after 300 rounds. Don't know why Ruger would copy such a terrible design. I never understood where all the KT owners got the idea that Ruger stole the design and copied it. The internals are nothing alike. Just because two guns have similar features doesn't mean one stole the idea. That's like saying that anyone who makes a revolver stole the design from Colt and should be sued. :banghead:

Anyways, back on track. Ruger makes a fine weapon. I wouldn't worry too much about 20 year old politics started by a dead man. BTW, please stay away from Taurus. Friends don't let friends shoot Taurus.
 
I sold every Ruger in the house over Bill's traitorous stunt and swore to never buy another. He's been dead a long time now and the companies policy has changed. Unfortunately, old habits die hard and I still don't have any Rugers. That may change sometime in the future however.

At that time Smith and Wesson wasn't any better than Ruger. They were owned by a British firm and just doing what Brits do. It was expected of the British. I refused to buy any of their guns for a long time too. As an American company Ruger got most of the heat however.

It's time to close this chapter and move on.
 
He has been dead for years and his company is moving in the opposite direction.

Why hold a grudge?
 
"pull the string on it..."

:confused: What's that mean in English?

Fan boy? Me? Not hardly. I bought my first Ruger in '72 and my last in '86. Fwiw, a Single-Six Conv. and a Police Service-Six. Oh, and an early 22/45 when they came out 20 years ago, but I didn't keep it long.

A fan boy. LOLOLOLOL
 
Many major handgun companies have some violation of ideological purity.

Look the SW deal.
Taurus sponsored smart gun research.
Colt tried to develop a smart gun also.


But, times have changed. Time to move on.
 
The truth is that Bill Ruger was trying to make a deal with congress to save the gun industry from further litigation. Government sanctioned anti-gun lawsuits were bankrupting the whole industry. Ole Bill was trying to compromise to save it. As would be expected Congress screwed us all with the AWB. Bill Ruger's words were taken out of context and twisted and as a result, lots of shooters hate him. For fabricated reasons. By the time the real truth came out, no one cared. They had their hate and were sticking to it.

You wanna hate somebody??? Hate your dirty, rotten elected officials who made it all happen.

Bill Ruger has been dead for years and didn't run the company for several years before he died. Get over it.
 
I don't hate Bill Ruger or his company....

I just won't buy their products.... my choice.... doesn't affect anyone but me.

I think you're soft peddling his sellout though...

He may have been trying to "save the industry" as you say, but that doesn't jive imo with his statements that no "honest man" has a need for more than 10 rounds.

So BR doesn't support a liberatarian view of 2A (as a check on government power)... fine... whatever... he can have his opinion. But his rhetoric impuned everyone who does as "dishonest".
 
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Bill Ruger is dead.
His company is now making "Assault Weapons" and weapons that take hi cap mags.
They are American made.
They make very good products.

Don't feel bad about buying Ruger firearms in 2011.
 
"Bill Ruger is dead."

And this thread should be, too. There are reasons for the saying, "Don't speak ill of the dead." Perhaps some need to recall what those reasons are.
 
GreenSkyy87 said:
As far as the KT debate, the LCP is much nicer. It does not jam, it has a slide stop, it looks nice, and it does not fall apart after 300 rounds. Don't know why Ruger would copy such a terrible design. I never understood where all the KT owners got the idea that Ruger stole the design and copied it. The internals are nothing alike.
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http://www.ruger.com/products/_expViews/lcp/expView.pdf
http://www.keltecweapons.com/upload...3d295a6f5be382dba13048a3929a7p3atv2manual.pdf (page 9)

Ok, here are links to exploded diagrams of both guns. Could you point out which internals are nothing alike, because as far as I can see except for a different extractor spring arrangement and a slide release on the Ruger they are pretty darn near exactly alike.

Oh, and as far as the original topic goes: Bill Ruger was wrong about the magazine issue. However, he's dead now, his son has retired, the company now sells large capacity magazines and rifles that use them. It's time to get over ancient history.
 
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never had interest in these pistols, but they do indeed look pretty darn similar, the Ruger appears to have 3 more parts to my untrained eye.

Actions speak louder than words, Ruger's making the high-caps now, some grudges are OK to let go eventually.

Having been in 3 motorcycle accidents, (none my fault, alive only because i'm hyper alert) I drive used (let someone else lose 75% of the value first ;) ) Volvos for the I-beams in the doors. Every car that's rammed me since has been towed away while I drove away after.

Ford owned Volvo for a while, I don't hold Ford's current leadership accountable for his questionable taste in literature he allowed to be published under his name (until his published apology in 1927) or for meeting with Nazi representatives (even though he did not apparently support them financially)

People grow, attitudes change, it's better to focus on current and active slights rather than chewing old soup. History is for learning from, not living in. (SASS and Re-enactors of wars excluded of course... that's a horse of a different color )
 
Ruger makes excellent guns, that's really all that matters.

It may shock some people to learn that com-block guns were all made by Communist enemies of the United States.

German guns are made by the people who started both world wars.


Etc, etc.
 
GreenSkyy87 said:
As far as the KT debate, the LCP is much nicer. It does not jam, it has a slide stop, it looks nice, and it does not fall apart after 300 rounds. Don't know why Ruger would copy such a terrible design.
BTW, please stay away from Taurus. Friends don't let friends shoot Taurus.
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Gun owners are some silly people:neener:

My Kel-Tec should have fallen apart Half a dozen times already! Maybe I got a defective one! As well as two of my friends who let me shoot theirs before I bought mine! I have shot well over a thousand rounds through it in the six months I have owned it, never a problem. Neither of my friends who have owned theirs far longer have ever had a problem with their's either. Nor for that matter, has anyone I know, had a problem with any late model Kel-tec.

I have also heard a lot of hearsay flack on Taurus, but other than a cracked pistol grip, have seen little to back it up. (don't own any, but my friends do, and they like them)

As far as not buying a Ruger because of something the founder did over a decade ago, and is dead, strikes me as being about as stupid as is it possible to get.:rolleyes:
 
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Shadow 7D:...They ripped off KT, I don't know why KT hasn't gone after them...
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Probably because KelTec didn't invent a darned thing and a lawsuit would be a waste of time and go no where.

Exactly what KelTec patents did Ruger infringe on?:scrutiny:
 
People seem to forget that Taurus also has the Hillary hole, everyone complains about S&W but I guess Taurus gets a free pass from the offending hole.........

If you judge a company by the past then I dare say all current weapon manufacturers will easily be disqualified. Judge the present, don't forget we all have some history we would like to forget about.
 
Ruger copied the P3AT design, changed a few things, and then started cranking them out. I like Ruger's other guns but I won't buy an LCP and I tell everyone I know the same thing.

For those of you defending Ruger in this, have you ever held the two guns up, disassembled them side by side, compared the internals? The LCP slide assembly will even fit on the P3AT frame, the magazines are the same thing.

If step one in designing the LCP was grabbing a clean sheet of paper then step two was photocopying the P3AT diagram onto that sheet.

http://www.gunreports.com/special_r...ses_rim_tears_Kel-Tec_P-3AT_ejector423-1.html


I'll buy my next Ruger when they start designing their own guns again.
 
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I, also hated Bill Ruger for his "no honest man" statement and sold my P85MKII the next day (It was my first nice handgun). I refused to buy a Ruger of any type for several years, until a few years after his death. Even then I only looked at cheap used 10/22, but then I saw a new Ruger company who started giving customers what they wanted: full capacity pistol and rifle mags, concealable handguns, Mini's with better barrels and sights, even (gasp) factory flash hiders.

Now I'm a Ruger fan once again. Since their 180 degree policy I've bought 3 single actions pistols, an SP101, 2 10/22s, 2 Mark IIs, and three Mini's along with all the full capacity I could afford.
 
And this thread should be, too. There are reasons for the saying, "Don't speak ill of the dead." Perhaps some need to recall what those reasons are.
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"Don't speak ill of the dead" Thats cute, so I suppose you have never once maligned the memory of Hitler, Stalin, Mao or any other dead scum bags?

I'm fine with the truth, Bill Ruger was a greedy scum bag who was happy throwing American citizens under the bus as long as it meant he could keep selling his guns. Now he is dead and Ruger has some decent management, though they don't respect other firearms manufacturers, at least they respect American citizens.
 
I surly hope you don't base all of your buying habits on what a friend has said. If you do you better go into business for your self and make what you want. Seems silly to me
 
mgregg85 said:
For those of you defending Ruger in this, have you ever held the two guns up, disassembled them side by side, compared the internals? The LCP slide assembly will even fit on the P3AT frame, the magazines are the same thing.
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Yes, I have. Whenever I see a P3AT, I ask to handle it to see what I'm missing. And I still cannot fathom owning something that looks and feels so poorly made. Had KT built a nice looking, quality built pistol, Ruger would not have had so much room to improve on it.


I'll buy my next Ruger when they start designing their own guns again.
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Presumably this means you stopped buying S&W guns after they came out with the Sigma. And I assume you would never buy a pistol from a company other than Colt since they were the first to build a 1911 and everybody has copied that. I guess this is a great way of putting a limit on your own gun purchases.

It amazes me how people will put silly limits on what guns they purchase but everyone has that right. I can see not buying from a company that manufactures guns in an enemy state or uses child slave labor but limiting oneself because of something said thirty years ago or because of a perceived theft of intellectual property is kinda silly. Bill Ruger created a respectable company and it has been turned into an amazing company since his passing.

Though I must admit I almost decided to give up on them when I found out that they copied the colt 1911. And they didn't even try to cover it up! I am not sure why Colt has let them get away with it but I assume there is a lawsuit in the works. I hear some parts are even interchangeable!
 
I hear Bill Ruger was in on the ground floor of Al Qaeda negotiating arms deals with Space Nazis.
I also hear mini-14 barrels got even thinner. ;)
 
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