Boycott Ruger

[clarence222]

The other day I was doing some research on a Mini-14 GB model that I was looking to purchase. I came across an article on Wikipedia telling about how Bill Ruger was against civillians owning hi capacity mags. I had always heard that he was instrumental in getting the ak variants banned form importation in 1989, however I didn't realize that he was so against civillians owning hi-caps.

Bill Ruger as we all know has been dead for some time yet Ruger still will not cell factory hi-caps to the general public. I have several Ruger Firearms and enjoy each and every one of them including the GB model mini-14 that I just got.

But why do we tolerate this and continue to buy from Ruger, when Smith and Wesson sold us out we boycotted them and they changed the policies, so why don't we boycot Ruger, if they want us to continue to purchase their products they should make all of the products available that are legal to own by civillians.

So what are some of your opinions on this idea?

 

[GreenFurniture]

Wasn't it Bill Ruger who said, "No honest man needs a handgun smaller than a canned ham."?

I think most of the anti highcap thought came from Glock licking him with their "wunder nine."

 

[F4GIB]

I came across an article on Wikipedia telling about how Bill Ruger was against civillians owning hi capacity mags.

Absolutely true.

Actually worse because he was against civilians owning magazines larger than 15 rounds (i.e., those made by Ruger). He wanted to cripple his European competition (Glock etc.). In 1990 I had a photocopy of the letter he sent to US Senators (I got it from mine). I haven't bought a Ruger product since and I sold off the two I had.

 

[wooderson]

No.

 

[gunsmith]

I can see putting a little pressure on them

but I really, really love my sp101, very concealable and reliable.
Boycotts tend to harm the folks who work on the factory floor.

I really like the revolvers and intend on buying more, but due to the mag restrictions, I do not buy their semi's

 

[461]

They seem not to have an issue selling hi caps with their pistols which also are used in the PC carbines. The only one they don't sell hi caps for is the mini and that is because they don't want it known as an evil assault weapon. Their product, their choice.

For Gosh sakes get over it already! The man is dead! Why not spend some energy on the people who actually want to take away your guns rather than the people who are putting quality ones on the shelves.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Yes, Let's Eat Our Own

Gentlemen, we have no shortage of real enemies out there.

The firearms industry needs to stay alive and stay healthy.

Bill Ruger, in his day, did quite a bit for the American shooter. He also did some stuff that was very poorly thought out. Arguably truly stupid.

I've heard rants about S&W, Remington, Colt, Ruger, and others for some infraction or betrayal of either America or shooters in general.

Yes, every so often one of our own gets duped by the political operatives or makes a rotten business decision.

Fact remains, the gun makers listen to us way more than the politicians ever do. They do understand they have a business to run, and you don't get to stay in business if you make a practice of pissing off your public.

Anyone can hold a grudge. I've still got a couple left over from the '80s, and I can't remember why I have them.

It takes a little more something to let go of that grudge and recognize a common interest.

There are plenty of guys out there who want us completely disarmed and defenseless.

Let us turn our attentions to them.

Once we have won back the proper exercise of our rights, then we can have a quiet chat with the gun makers about spine and such.

Buy one of everything.

Keep it alive.

 

[CajunBass]

Boycot Ruger

Yea. I'll get right on that.

Until I get the money to buy another one.

 

[clarence222]

I agree

I enjoy all of my Ruger firearms and don't plan on selling any of them. I could not find anywhere on the Ruger website that even mentioned they make hi-caps anymore. If they do and won't sell them to us I say we don't purchase them anymore I understand it might hurt the people on the floor building the firearms, and that is not what I want. I would however like to purchase factory accessories straight from Ruger is they still make them. If there is one way we can change the policy is with our wallets then I am all for it.

 

[enkindler]

It would be a little more constructive to communicate to the new management that it would be in their best interests to sell larger capacity magazines vs. boycotting a company for a letter that was sent by a man who has now passed from this earth.

It worked with the SASS crowd, they finally moved the ugly warning statement from the side of the New Vaquero's barrel to the bottom where it is hardly noticed.

 

[1911JMB]

I for one agree. I will never buy another Ruger firearm unless they change.

 

[Oohrah]

Boycot Ruger

Who's next Winchester (Have a Model100), Remington, Browning, and
most likely others who produce semi auto rifles with limited mag
capacity. I think only Remington has an after market extended
mag. Too many American manufacters are going out of business
or being sold to foreign interests for me to get serious about beating
up on an American company over magazine capacity. Even that did
not work, as there has always been an after market manufacturer
due to a need. I agree with you that large capacity mags should
be available to everyone who wants them, and not just a police only
item. I would be more apt to boycott a product for its high price or
unreliable functioning that the president of the company (deceased)
belief is different from mine.

 

[RNB65]

I SHALL BOYCOTT just as soon as I buy my GP100. And the sooner the better!



p.s. Clarence, old buddy, you're a little late. Most of us have known about Bill Ruger's gun policies for about 30 years or so.

 

[clarence222]

Ok enkindler

Lets try that first or even get a petition going to let them know there are plenty of us out ther that aren't happy about the situation. I am open to suggestions, I just think its time that we get the gun companies back on our side since we are definitely one of the industries biggest supporters

 

[Lucky]

You people want to forgive this? It might as well be Quisling Incorporated.

Quisling Incorporated Firearms.

In case people forgot, Ruger was making his $ selling his rifles to militaries and police, it's pretty clear he didn't care about civilians. The way I see it he would have had no problem with police going door-to-door seizing every firearm in the country, as long as those police were carrying mini-14's.


* "The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete, and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these objectives."

* "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."

* "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round
magazines or my folding stock."

* "I see nothing wrong with waiting periods."

 

[Cosmoline]

yet Ruger still will not cell factory hi-caps to the general public

Wrong:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAAccView?acc=930&type=Pistol&side=Magazines&PI=Y

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAAccView?acc=927&type=Pistol&side=Magazines&PI=Y

Give it a rest. Sometimes I wonder if these shills are paid for by S&W.

Hey, CZ only offers small cap mags for their .22 rifles too! And so does Browning! And so does Remington!

Bill Ruger was a talented gun maker who also happened to have antiquated political views about the RKBA. He's long dead now. Get over it.

 

[clarence222]

I stand corrected

Do they make hi-caps for any of their rifles.
No I'm not a shill nor am I paid by Smith and Wesson
Does CZ Browning or Remington offer hi-caps to LEO

 

[Rumpled]

I'm generally a Ruger firearms fan. I think Bill Sr did and said some stupid things trying to curry favor with the Dem's to keep his business making $.

You will also notice that the only hi-cap mags they sell are 9mm.
Their .40 P series come only in 10 rd. Shouldn't a 15 rd 9mm generally equate to 12 or 13 rounds in the same frame in .40?

 

[Colt46]

He made a mistake

He no longer controls the company(unless it's a wierd L. Ron Hubbard type thing). Let them know they need to keep their bread and butter happy enough to keep wanting to buy their firearms.

If I decided to cancel a friendship because I didn't agree with someone 100% of the time I'd be alone, in the dark, with my moth collection and a carton of fig newtons.

Why just stop at boycotting Ruger? Why not S & W for their deal with the feds during the clinton years? How about Taurus for stealing the name plate off a Ford or even for spotty quality control?
Biting off one's nose to spite one's face is an odd tactic. Never understood it.

 

[Mark Whiteman]

Better off letting the company know how you feel than just not buying their products. It was WBR's right to run his company as he saw fit, and he put much time and money into defending the 2A. He's gone now, and the company seems to be perking up a bit in the new products department. Ruger has always been more responsive to the consumer than Colt, Remington, S&W (at various times), and others, IMO. When you get down to it, hicap magazines are pretty small potatoes for a gun maker (many outsource), and it probably wasn't worth the political hit to the industry to take a stand over a few rounds, especially with so many hicaps already in circulation. We may not like it, but most of us know about picking our battles too. Do what you think is right.

 

[Lucky]

Wow. Just wow.

They didn't even apologize and people have forgiven them. They haven't even said they won't or wouldn't do it again, and people are canonizing them. They throw some tax-deductible blood money at the NRA and all is well, except for the states and countries still suffering from his Quisling betrayal.

If I decided to cancel a friendship because I didn't agree with someone 100% of the time I'd be alone,

Tell me about it. Every once in a while one of your friends will invite you out to go drinking, and then it turns out that after you've had a few drinks your friend convinces you to take some cash out of the ATM, and then as soon as you're walking back he makes a phone call and 3 guys show up and mug you. And later you find out that he set the whole thing up. What kind of reason is that to cancel a friendship? Just because he totally betrays you, heck he's a good guy and it probably won't happen ever ever again, so forgive and forget.

To hell with actions having consequences, betrayal should be rewarded. Deceit believed. If Ruger came out with a .50 BMG rifle that was a couple bucks cheaper than Barret (because they make a bit of extra $$$ selling to the California LEO market), why shouldn't you buy it?

Those feelings some people feel when each time they read the saga, they're old-fashioned. Get over it.

I think I'll take a look back and see which names criticize people purchasing Norinco, just to see if they're supporting Ruger at the same time...


Edit:

Cosmoline - Busted and Again and Again

Wonder what comes up when searching other keywords, hmm polytech, Walmart, Rosie O'donnell, the list of anti-gun movie stars, etc... Surely no-one here would ever suggest boycotting anything like that - because the best way to deal with them is to continue purchasing their product and simply write letters explaining your feelings.

 

[mike101]

Quote-
"The way I see it he would have had no problem with police going door-to-door seizing every firearm in the country, as long as those police were carrying mini-14's."

Now, that's just crazy talk. I'll tell you what. Write Ruger a letter. Then go to www.Midwayusa.com, buy yourself a 20 or 30 round mag. for your Mini 14, take a vallium, and get over it.

Boycotting Ruger might accomplish one thing. It will get a bunch of good people laid off. Oh, by the way, Bill Ruger is still dead.

There are lots of people out there who really want to take ALL of your guns away, regardless of how many rounds they hold. Kindly direct your anger there. Do it for the children.

 

[1 old 0311]

That WAS Ruger policy. That IS Ruger policy. If they had a change of heart they would make their Hi-caps available to the public. Bill Ruger screwed the American firearm owner for the worst possible reason: MONEY. I hope him and Saddam are playing tennis together.

 

[Lucky]

Kevin are you suggesting that just because they haven't changed that's reasonable grounds to believe they haven't changed?

Mike, I'd love to take your advice, but the thing is I live in Canada. I'm proud to say that Bill's legacy lives on, long and strong. We can't have handguns smaller than canned-hams, and their magazines can't hold more than 10 cartridges. For semi-automatic long guns we limit magazines to 5 cartridges, just like Old Bill did.

Boycotting Ruger might accomplish one thing. It will get a bunch of good people laid off.

So you believe the company would fold before they'd consider not enforcing antiquated gun-control laws on civilians? And you are OK with that? I've heard of brand loyalty, but JM&J Rugers must come with complementary mind-control chips.

 

[GRIZ22]

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when Smith and Wesson sold us out we boycotted them and they changed the policies

S&W's policy was made during the Clinton administration so the Federal goverment would buy guns from them. Yeah, they did it to keep making money and stay in business. S&W emplyees still had jobs. I believe S&W changed policy as the company changed hands and they were no longer bound by any prior agreement and the political climate was much better for the firearms industry.

Quote:

The way I see it he would have had no problem with police going door-to-door seizing every firearm in the country, as long as those police were carrying mini-14's.

And Glocks! Glock has over 60% of the LE market in the US. In addition to their high quality Glock can deliver the most important criteria. Price. That's what attracts the bean counters to a product used by the goverment. That parachute made to save a pilot that costs the goverment hundreds of thousands of dollars to train was made by the lowest bidder.

Boycotting Ruger would eliminate one of your choices in quality firearms. Ruger won't sell hi cap mags for the Mini 14 directly but look around and you can find retailers selling them. http://cdnninvestments.com/lemaforciuse.html
go about 2/3 down the page.