Bear Gulch
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Black, that would be far too random and apt to go awry.
Jamis, glad to hear that your're okay!
Jamis, glad to hear that your're okay!
Bit by a dog!
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Bear Gulch
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Sorry, Black, I'll take my medication now!
Shalako
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I'm glad you made out relatively ok JamisJockey.
I had a dog 'incident' just this weekend. It sure is enough to get your adrenaline up. I was walking my dogs with my wife along the river when we spotted three cheerful enough looking people with three dogs coming toward us on the trail. Their three and my two were all on leashes. I guess I let my gaurd down. As we got close, their dogs went ballistic and were rearing up on the leash and snarling. I snapped into action and went to tug on my dogs' leashes to get some distance, and my foot slipped on some cobble and I went down. Yep, I'm on the ground, and holding two leashes in my right hand. To make matters worse, one of their dogs, a 50+ lb chow mix slips its collar and is now freely bitting at my dog and snarling at me just about a foot from my face. My one free arm was cocked and I'm yelling "hey!" pretty loud. Then as quick as it started, the lady snagged her dog, I collected mine (and myself) and off we went. My dog seemed unscathed, but I swear had been bit.
Reliving the story today in the office, I told my bud that I was about ready to take out that dog. He laughed and said 'no way, not a chance.' I don't think he understands my drive to survive if the situation was to get worse. All I had was my bare hands. That sucked.
I had a dog 'incident' just this weekend. It sure is enough to get your adrenaline up. I was walking my dogs with my wife along the river when we spotted three cheerful enough looking people with three dogs coming toward us on the trail. Their three and my two were all on leashes. I guess I let my gaurd down. As we got close, their dogs went ballistic and were rearing up on the leash and snarling. I snapped into action and went to tug on my dogs' leashes to get some distance, and my foot slipped on some cobble and I went down. Yep, I'm on the ground, and holding two leashes in my right hand. To make matters worse, one of their dogs, a 50+ lb chow mix slips its collar and is now freely bitting at my dog and snarling at me just about a foot from my face. My one free arm was cocked and I'm yelling "hey!" pretty loud. Then as quick as it started, the lady snagged her dog, I collected mine (and myself) and off we went. My dog seemed unscathed, but I swear had been bit.
Reliving the story today in the office, I told my bud that I was about ready to take out that dog. He laughed and said 'no way, not a chance.' I don't think he understands my drive to survive if the situation was to get worse. All I had was my bare hands. That sucked.
brian roberts
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dogs....
what i'd do is simple! first, i'd damn sure put some sort of inertial guidance system on the bike, so i could safely engage in grabbing whatever repellant i had at hand while the bike was gliding along; & make sure there was some alarm(aka back-up alarm from SUVs) to preclude you slammin' into somthing whilst you're busy cotrolling the situation. THEN i'd look into the Glock; Beretta; or HK VP70, ALL w/laser sighting device(LSD) & F/A capability. i'd have this properly slung in either a back/fanny pack or mounted close to the handlebars; i tried a basket, ONCE, but believe me, that is definitely NOT the way to go as it created so much drag!! it was close to the drag i suffered when i first started biking, before i got the snug supple jerseys, & started shaving my legs. the uninitiated always laughed at this in the office, 'till they realize every effort has a cumulative effect!! anyway, if you're handy with a hammer(no, not THAT kind)you can always pound(OOOoohhh)out a small fairing to mount on the bars that could conceal a shelf inside w/velcro to secure the goodies. w/all that aside, what i'd look for was a good day, when doggie's likely to be out....
that day i'd be prepared, so that once i got near dog zero the auto-pilot(AP) had been tested that day, & i was ready for any occurrance. now, when the dog comes out, do NOT stop, slow down, or try to confront it under any circumstances, as speed & manueverability are the only asset you have at the moment, particularly when going uphill.
as you look into the dog's eye, you'll learn after a while the master's ability to probe the depths of any animals intentions. if you ascertain that nothing, short of the "final option" would be effective here, its definately the moment for serious action. when you deploy your modern Velo-Dog equipment, it must be done w/out any unnecessary flourishes, as these may be caught on some neighbor's kiddy-cam that happens to be pointed your way.
the next move is what I would do under the circumstances. get the dog close enough so you can see into its eyes plainly; if the moment of truth is nigh, i usually give them an humane 3-4second burst, depending on the concealability of the magazine or drum(don't laugh, i have a fellow rider who carefully conceals a Suomi 70rd 9mil drum under the safari vest offered by Snug-Fit Wear of Redundo Beach!! 'course its made of 70% Brazilian Tarantula web to give the utmost in flexibility. wish i could afford it!!
anyway, once i loosed that blast, i'd just get outta Dodge & blaze on up the hill. what are the cops gonna do when they finally get out of the doughnut(dognut?) shop. they'll most likely know it was you, anyway, & know it was justified. i've had 'em say to me, " if it was anybody BUT you, i'da hunted 'em down. hey, if y'need a reference tell 'em ta look me up on the board here, i'll set 'em straight. we can get Massage-a-Boob from lethal force to go to court for you, too. have a good day.
what i'd do is simple! first, i'd damn sure put some sort of inertial guidance system on the bike, so i could safely engage in grabbing whatever repellant i had at hand while the bike was gliding along; & make sure there was some alarm(aka back-up alarm from SUVs) to preclude you slammin' into somthing whilst you're busy cotrolling the situation. THEN i'd look into the Glock; Beretta; or HK VP70, ALL w/laser sighting device(LSD) & F/A capability. i'd have this properly slung in either a back/fanny pack or mounted close to the handlebars; i tried a basket, ONCE, but believe me, that is definitely NOT the way to go as it created so much drag!! it was close to the drag i suffered when i first started biking, before i got the snug supple jerseys, & started shaving my legs. the uninitiated always laughed at this in the office, 'till they realize every effort has a cumulative effect!! anyway, if you're handy with a hammer(no, not THAT kind)you can always pound(OOOoohhh)out a small fairing to mount on the bars that could conceal a shelf inside w/velcro to secure the goodies. w/all that aside, what i'd look for was a good day, when doggie's likely to be out....
that day i'd be prepared, so that once i got near dog zero the auto-pilot(AP) had been tested that day, & i was ready for any occurrance. now, when the dog comes out, do NOT stop, slow down, or try to confront it under any circumstances, as speed & manueverability are the only asset you have at the moment, particularly when going uphill.
as you look into the dog's eye, you'll learn after a while the master's ability to probe the depths of any animals intentions. if you ascertain that nothing, short of the "final option" would be effective here, its definately the moment for serious action. when you deploy your modern Velo-Dog equipment, it must be done w/out any unnecessary flourishes, as these may be caught on some neighbor's kiddy-cam that happens to be pointed your way.
the next move is what I would do under the circumstances. get the dog close enough so you can see into its eyes plainly; if the moment of truth is nigh, i usually give them an humane 3-4second burst, depending on the concealability of the magazine or drum(don't laugh, i have a fellow rider who carefully conceals a Suomi 70rd 9mil drum under the safari vest offered by Snug-Fit Wear of Redundo Beach!! 'course its made of 70% Brazilian Tarantula web to give the utmost in flexibility. wish i could afford it!!
anyway, once i loosed that blast, i'd just get outta Dodge & blaze on up the hill. what are the cops gonna do when they finally get out of the doughnut(dognut?) shop. they'll most likely know it was you, anyway, & know it was justified. i've had 'em say to me, " if it was anybody BUT you, i'da hunted 'em down. hey, if y'need a reference tell 'em ta look me up on the board here, i'll set 'em straight. we can get Massage-a-Boob from lethal force to go to court for you, too. have a good day.
Randy in Arizona
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brian,
Are you any kin to a feller by the name o' GunKid?
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Are you any kin to a feller by the name o' GunKid?
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brian roberts
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R n' A....
not exac'ly Ranman, I jus' figger i have to do my duty, & give the best advice i can when one is dealing w/these serious social shidtziations. i reeleyes when one is out biking, that sometimes speed is of the essence, & an innocent time can go bad in a flicker. y'gotta be "right n' ready" or you're a goner. a dog can drag you in front of the "starlight" in a twinkle, and then there wouldn't be enough left for yer family to make a taco from.
not exac'ly Ranman, I jus' figger i have to do my duty, & give the best advice i can when one is dealing w/these serious social shidtziations. i reeleyes when one is out biking, that sometimes speed is of the essence, & an innocent time can go bad in a flicker. y'gotta be "right n' ready" or you're a goner. a dog can drag you in front of the "starlight" in a twinkle, and then there wouldn't be enough left for yer family to make a taco from.
The VP 70 is a good choice for a poor shooter!!! VP stands for Volkspistole and it was designed for secondary troops and drivers in the West German military. But if somebody can conceal a VP70, he can conceal anything. I used to have a 20mm Bordmaschinenkanone on my Marder, that should fit the bike's handlebar! Also, upon firing it, the recoil will automatically secure your fast get-away.
A hot dog with rat poison is also a great idea! Should the assaulting dogs overlook it, somebody else will pick it up.
Sometimes, I really wonder about some posters on the gun forums...
A hot dog with rat poison is also a great idea! Should the assaulting dogs overlook it, somebody else will pick it up.
Sometimes, I really wonder about some posters on the gun forums...
Bwana John
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I used to commute on my bike, I had two water bottle cages mounted on my bike, one on the down tube with water in the bottle, and one on the seat tube with ammonia in the bottle. A squirt of ammonia will make most dogs back off fast.
PS- do NOT forget about the ammonia and try to drink!!! thats why I kept in in the waterbottle cage that was not as easy to get to.
You could also mount a pepper spray in the same manner.
PS- do NOT forget about the ammonia and try to drink!!! thats why I kept in in the waterbottle cage that was not as easy to get to.
You could also mount a pepper spray in the same manner.
Coltdriver
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I spent a year in Western Turkey in the Air Force.
I scrounged a ten speed and used it to ride from my apartment in downtown Balikesir to the Base which was about a 6 mile ride.
There was a solid one mile stretch on the approach to the gate.
Whilst peddaling to work one morning there came, out of the field to my left front quarter, a pack of about 30 dogs. They ranged from little terrier types to a couple of big mongrels.
The were looking at me for breakfast and the whole pack came after me.
I started pedaling my ass off and angling over to the right side of the road. The chase did not last long but I am sure they would have mauled me to death if I had fallen or been slowed enough for them to get a good bite out of me.
Scared the bejeepers out of me!
I scrounged a ten speed and used it to ride from my apartment in downtown Balikesir to the Base which was about a 6 mile ride.
There was a solid one mile stretch on the approach to the gate.
Whilst peddaling to work one morning there came, out of the field to my left front quarter, a pack of about 30 dogs. They ranged from little terrier types to a couple of big mongrels.
The were looking at me for breakfast and the whole pack came after me.
I started pedaling my ass off and angling over to the right side of the road. The chase did not last long but I am sure they would have mauled me to death if I had fallen or been slowed enough for them to get a good bite out of me.
Scared the bejeepers out of me!
Cosmoline
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I have extensive experience with working line GSD's and I've been bitten hundreds of times (though usually with a bite suit on). I agree that there's rarely time to deploy a CCW even if you have one. A trained guard dog will tend to bite the arms (or more vital areas if that's what they've been trained to do), an untrained dog will tend to go for the buttocks or the back of your legs. You are much more likely to get nailed by an untrained dog if you run, since they are acting out of prey drive. I've found the best bet is to stand your ground, facing the dog. The best defensive weapon is a short hickory axe handle. Untrained dogs will almost always back down if they get hit, and an axe handle is quicker to deploy than a handgun in most cases, not to mention safer for your toes.
Trained guard dogs are a whole different matter, but they're rare and if someone has spent the money to get one and the time to train it they're not likely to let them go running around.
ANother observation, I've seen bike riders confront off-leash dogs a few times over the years. I have noticed that bike riders, esp. the spandex crowd, tend to be jumpy and uppity. They move fast, make a lot of noise and jerk their arms around, presumably because their blood is pumping hard from the ride. These are exactly the kind of movements that attract sucker bites. Just try to move normally, at a steady pace, as if you have every expectation of winning the fight and have nothing to fear from the dog. This attitide will drive off untrained dogs, while jumping around and yelling will attract them.
Think Sam Elliot, not Jim Carrey
Trained guard dogs are a whole different matter, but they're rare and if someone has spent the money to get one and the time to train it they're not likely to let them go running around.
ANother observation, I've seen bike riders confront off-leash dogs a few times over the years. I have noticed that bike riders, esp. the spandex crowd, tend to be jumpy and uppity. They move fast, make a lot of noise and jerk their arms around, presumably because their blood is pumping hard from the ride. These are exactly the kind of movements that attract sucker bites. Just try to move normally, at a steady pace, as if you have every expectation of winning the fight and have nothing to fear from the dog. This attitide will drive off untrained dogs, while jumping around and yelling will attract them.
Think Sam Elliot, not Jim Carrey
brian roberts
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doggies.....
yeah, coltdriver, you really got your exercise that morning, din'cha??? as for those spandex crowd, i live on a really curvy road, & numerous times i've tried to talk to the spandys about riding on that road, as the limit's 40, but, everybody thinks they're Sterling Moss or somebody....while they're tending to the IMPORTANT crap, like make-up training & application, cell-phone instruction, date-calls, taco-jugglin', y'know the meaningful stuff that causes cars to wander all over the double yellas. know what the replies are?? "well, i have a RIGHT to be out here w/my titanium steed!!!" but, i respectfully reply, if that ford, or Peterbilt gives you an a$$-full of headlight, who you think's goin' to be in the body shop longer??? "well, his insurance company will make MY day." yeah, right, & this boob will never be the same after it. the only ones who listened were some Mormons, who stopped "Riding for Jesus" long enough to stay at the roadside long enough(15 mins.) to watch two curves. i told 'em Jesus wasn't going to look out after 'em if they didn't use the good sense he'd equipped 'em with.... hey, flame th' doggies, Massage-a-Boob'll testify for yuh.
yeah, coltdriver, you really got your exercise that morning, din'cha??? as for those spandex crowd, i live on a really curvy road, & numerous times i've tried to talk to the spandys about riding on that road, as the limit's 40, but, everybody thinks they're Sterling Moss or somebody....while they're tending to the IMPORTANT crap, like make-up training & application, cell-phone instruction, date-calls, taco-jugglin', y'know the meaningful stuff that causes cars to wander all over the double yellas. know what the replies are?? "well, i have a RIGHT to be out here w/my titanium steed!!!" but, i respectfully reply, if that ford, or Peterbilt gives you an a$$-full of headlight, who you think's goin' to be in the body shop longer??? "well, his insurance company will make MY day." yeah, right, & this boob will never be the same after it. the only ones who listened were some Mormons, who stopped "Riding for Jesus" long enough to stay at the roadside long enough(15 mins.) to watch two curves. i told 'em Jesus wasn't going to look out after 'em if they didn't use the good sense he'd equipped 'em with....
hey, flame th' doggies, Massage-a-Boob'll testify for yuh.XLMiguel
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When I was a kid with a paper route, I had several agressive dogs to deal with. I found a squirtgun filled 50/50 with amonia & water worked like a champ, and rarely took a second application to the eyes/face for the dog to figure it out. Owner who objected didn't get their paper.
Later, I used to bike in rural/suburban areas with the occasional dog encounter. I never tried to out run the dog. Instead, I just hopped off the bike, using it a a barrier and keeping it between me and he mutt, and made like a bulldozer. If it got close (most lost interest pretty quickly), I smacked it with the rear (or front) tire while yelling " bad $^%#^% dog, go home", which they all invariably did. Did have one owner who didn't appreciate having his dog whacked, but he went away when I asked for his name, phone # and lawyer's name.
I don't blame the dogs so much as the stupid owners, but the dog is the threat -.
Later, I used to bike in rural/suburban areas with the occasional dog encounter. I never tried to out run the dog. Instead, I just hopped off the bike, using it a a barrier and keeping it between me and he mutt, and made like a bulldozer. If it got close (most lost interest pretty quickly), I smacked it with the rear (or front) tire while yelling " bad $^%#^% dog, go home", which they all invariably did. Did have one owner who didn't appreciate having his dog whacked, but he went away when I asked for his name, phone # and lawyer's name.
I don't blame the dogs so much as the stupid owners, but the dog is the threat -.
I am also a serious bicycle rider. I have never had to defend myself againsed a dog as yelling has always seemed to do the trick. But just in case I always have an Applegate-Fairbairn folder in my middle jersey pocket and a waterbottle filled with janitor grade amonia in the water bottle cage. I practice pulling both of these out quickly on a regular basis. I would carry a seecamp or some other tiny handgun in my jersey pocket, but some jerk decided you had to be 21 to get a CPL and I am only 18.
Jamis, get yourself a camelbak for your water. Take your waterbottle and mix 50/50 water & ammonia. Use that one on dogs. Just squirt them in the face. If you don't think you'll get enough range with that, try a small SuperSoaker watergun velcro'd to your bars. That'd look a bit goofy though. Most folks have good luck with the waterbottle trick.
Bear Gulch
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Seems you should be able to sew a little pouch to that camelback strap that would allow you to carry a little something.
Walt Sherrill
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I'm curious: if you don't have time to access a concealed weapon, why do you have time to free and use an attached can of mace or some other tool like the asp wand?
Something doesn't make sense.
(I'm not being critical -- and think I would prefer the mace or wand to a gun, if only because the likelihood of doing inadvertent damage to something or someone else is smaller...)
Something doesn't make sense.
(I'm not being critical -- and think I would prefer the mace or wand to a gun, if only because the likelihood of doing inadvertent damage to something or someone else is smaller...)
JamisJockey
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In this situation, having a weapon wouldn't have stopped the initial attack. However, having an option in case the attack continuned, or in case one day I face another very agressive dog, is what I meant.
You're not being critical (okay, yes you are, but in a good way) at all, your questions are very good.
XLMiguel
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My experience - I was never jumped by a dog I didn't see first.
As a paperboy, I was riding a bike with a basket full of papers and it was no problem to have waterpistol accessible in the basket. In the neighborhood, where you're delivering to a bunch of houses close together, I had no great amount of speed, but adequate time to grab watergun and hose doggie. Only got nipped once, paper company & parents had a nice chat with owner, no more problems.
As an over the road rider, still, always saw dog coming. Where terrain allowed, I outran dog. Where it didn't, I hoppped off bike and used it as a barrier, sometimes with watergun in hand, dog lost interst quickly. W/o watergun, lots of yelling and 'bulldozing' worked fine, just lucky, I guess.
Plan B with an aggressive dog would be to pin dog down with bike frame and beat the ^%$)(*%$# out of it with whatever came to hand (and I always carry a knife), or fists (thankfully, I have never had to test this practice, no idea if this would really work-). Dogs are awfully fast, but I still have quick and strong hands, and if I get it off it's feet, it's mine, then the owner . . .
But talk is cheap -
As a paperboy, I was riding a bike with a basket full of papers and it was no problem to have waterpistol accessible in the basket. In the neighborhood, where you're delivering to a bunch of houses close together, I had no great amount of speed, but adequate time to grab watergun and hose doggie. Only got nipped once, paper company & parents had a nice chat with owner, no more problems.
As an over the road rider, still, always saw dog coming. Where terrain allowed, I outran dog. Where it didn't, I hoppped off bike and used it as a barrier, sometimes with watergun in hand, dog lost interst quickly. W/o watergun, lots of yelling and 'bulldozing' worked fine, just lucky, I guess.
Plan B with an aggressive dog would be to pin dog down with bike frame and beat the ^%$)(*%$# out of it with whatever came to hand (and I always carry a knife), or fists (thankfully, I have never had to test this practice, no idea if this would really work-). Dogs are awfully fast, but I still have quick and strong hands, and if I get it off it's feet, it's mine, then the owner . . .
But talk is cheap -
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