I was attacked by 2 dogs this AM...
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Kobun
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10-Ring:
Take a look at a Sjambok
Can be carried rolled up around your waist in the beltloops.
Also, doesn't CA law allow you to carry big fixed blade knifes?
pax:
Guess I should know.
Take a look at a Sjambok
Can be carried rolled up around your waist in the beltloops.
Also, doesn't CA law allow you to carry big fixed blade knifes?
pax:
What is nordic walking???
Guess I should know.
Mannlicher
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I carry my little Smith on jaunts through the 'hood, but I would NOT shoot a dog with it. I carry an ASP, and a knife. I don't scary easily by dogs, and have handled attacks by everything from a Shepard to a cocker, with out having to shoot one.
Beren
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I don't worry overly much about one dog if I'm alone, but if there's more than one dog or I'm with a loved one, I am much more inclined to react strongly against an aggressive dog. The ASP is a great idea - anyone know if they're legal in PA, or if they're considered a "dangerous weapon?"
When a dog grabs you by each leg, it's definately time to bring on the pain, and I don't think I would have any hesistation about reacting as aggressively as needed.
Anything less and you risk, ah, screwing the pooch.
When a dog grabs you by each leg, it's definately time to bring on the pain, and I don't think I would have any hesistation about reacting as aggressively as needed.
Anything less and you risk, ah, screwing the pooch.
longspurr
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The Sjambok is suppost to be a great little whip - just ask any south african. I use an english variant, the riding crop. We have horses so grabing one on the way out the door seems natural. I confess to not having used it on a dog, but normally dogs respect sticks (clubs). They will inflict pain but not serious injury. The crop is light and has a leather loop that you can figure out how to attach to you waist.
I don't know California's view of riding crops used as defense - a bad DA can probably see ANYthing as a weapon.
Larger whips can be employed but are best used on deserving officials.
I don't know California's view of riding crops used as defense - a bad DA can probably see ANYthing as a weapon.
Larger whips can be employed but are best used on deserving officials.
Jim March
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One word:
MEGAFOLDERS.
In California, the one really nice aspect of our weapons laws is the legal concealed carry of big folding knives, so long as they aren't switchblades.
See also:
http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html
At the bottom of the page is a selection of some good legal knives.
Dogs have thin "patches" on the top of their heads, to either side of a strong central ridge. In other words, you can often whack a big aggressive dog over the head with a baseball bat, to no effect, but ram the butt of a mini-maglight straight down and to either side of that ridge, and you'll punch through the bone and puree the brain. You can do the same thing with the point of a knife, especially from a reverse grip, BUT you'd best have a strong lock and a grip that resists a "slip up" type accident. A Camillus Maxx with the clip removed and carried in a 1911 magazine holster is near-perfect for this but shorter blades can work OK too. Forward-grip holds can work OK too, and if the dog is right up there in your face do NOT try a shift from forward grip to reverse. That said, I consider the reverse grip the better choice for dogs and most other animals.
Dogs that attack low are possibly professionally trained, and if trained (police/military) are wary of such overhead moves. Untrained dogs will often attack HIGH, jumping for your throat. That leaves their throats/chest wide open...barehanded, flat-out strangling 'em works but if there's more than one, a knife comes in very handy.
Now, what about dogs bounding towards you that are actually friendly? Happens all the time. Pulling a roscoe or a big knife can then be embarassing.
I pay attention to the tongue. If it's flapping and waving in the breeze, he "looks happy" to our eyes. What's really going on is it's being used for cooling, BUT it also means he doesn't plan on biting anyone or anything! If he's nervous or planning a fight, he retracts the tongue to protect it from his own teeth. This is actually a better indicator than the tail...some dogs will wag their tails because THEY'RE HAPPY THEY'RE GONNA CHEW ON YOU!
MEGAFOLDERS.
In California, the one really nice aspect of our weapons laws is the legal concealed carry of big folding knives, so long as they aren't switchblades.
See also:
http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html
At the bottom of the page is a selection of some good legal knives.
Dogs have thin "patches" on the top of their heads, to either side of a strong central ridge. In other words, you can often whack a big aggressive dog over the head with a baseball bat, to no effect, but ram the butt of a mini-maglight straight down and to either side of that ridge, and you'll punch through the bone and puree the brain. You can do the same thing with the point of a knife, especially from a reverse grip, BUT you'd best have a strong lock and a grip that resists a "slip up" type accident. A Camillus Maxx with the clip removed and carried in a 1911 magazine holster is near-perfect for this but shorter blades can work OK too. Forward-grip holds can work OK too, and if the dog is right up there in your face do NOT try a shift from forward grip to reverse. That said, I consider the reverse grip the better choice for dogs and most other animals.
Dogs that attack low are possibly professionally trained, and if trained (police/military) are wary of such overhead moves. Untrained dogs will often attack HIGH, jumping for your throat. That leaves their throats/chest wide open...barehanded, flat-out strangling 'em works but if there's more than one, a knife comes in very handy.
Now, what about dogs bounding towards you that are actually friendly? Happens all the time. Pulling a roscoe or a big knife can then be embarassing
.I pay attention to the tongue. If it's flapping and waving in the breeze, he "looks happy" to our eyes. What's really going on is it's being used for cooling, BUT it also means he doesn't plan on biting anyone or anything! If he's nervous or planning a fight, he retracts the tongue to protect it from his own teeth. This is actually a better indicator than the tail...some dogs will wag their tails because THEY'RE HAPPY THEY'RE GONNA CHEW ON YOU!
10-Ring
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As a stop gap measure, I bought some pepper spray specifically made for dogs. Apparently it's a 30% mix vs. the standard 10% for people.
Talk to the local animal control people. FORGET carrying anything that is illegal. It would be better to get a bigger dog.
You could carry a ball, some raw meat and pepper spray. I believe that Jim's mega-folder would be a good legal last resort. I always carry mine when hiking. You might just need a stroller to carry all this stuff. Get a bigger dog.
You could carry a ball, some raw meat and pepper spray. I believe that Jim's mega-folder would be a good legal last resort. I always carry mine when hiking. You might just need a stroller to carry all this stuff. Get a bigger dog.
twoblink
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I highly recommend a pulse-wave myotron.
Pull that thing out, and zap whoever/whatever is about to bite you. When people and dogs hear the zapper buzz, trust me, they back off.
Also, the pulse-wave isn't a stun gun, it's a pulsewave gun..
Pull that thing out, and zap whoever/whatever is about to bite you. When people and dogs hear the zapper buzz, trust me, they back off.
Also, the pulse-wave isn't a stun gun, it's a pulsewave gun..
Mute
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There's always the old, sock with a roll of quarters. If the cops are called on you, you can pocket the change and put the sock on.
10-Ring
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After 5 days of other people's opinions, I finally contacted animal control to find out what I should really do. Well, I filed a report & was told aggressive dogs can't have access to the general public and that appropriate measures will be taken.
The saga continues
The saga continues
Mr Jody Hudson
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IF you are allowed to have pepper spray...
You might consider Pepper Foam as there is no spray back against you and it sticks as a foam to the target.
http://www.defenseagainstcrime.com/self-defense/mace-defensive-pepper-sprays/pepperfoam.htm
IF you are not allowed to have pepper spray then perhaps a 6 oz. jar of your favorite condiment might be in order... I suggest the strongest cayenne pepper available at your health food store mixed with grain alcohol from the liquor store in a small plastic mayonaise jar with a screw on lid and print your own "private label cayenne pepper sauce" label on your printer and glue it on.
When they load your jar in the health food store you will notice they wear surgical gloves and a surgical mask if it's the good stuff...
I used such a jar when I lived in LA and it worked quite well when I threw it into a group of folks that were bent on mugging me. Better than a little spray bottle. 
You might consider Pepper Foam as there is no spray back against you and it sticks as a foam to the target.
http://www.defenseagainstcrime.com/self-defense/mace-defensive-pepper-sprays/pepperfoam.htm
IF you are not allowed to have pepper spray then perhaps a 6 oz. jar of your favorite condiment might be in order... I suggest the strongest cayenne pepper available at your health food store mixed with grain alcohol from the liquor store in a small plastic mayonaise jar with a screw on lid and print your own "private label cayenne pepper sauce" label on your printer and glue it on.
When they load your jar in the health food store you will notice they wear surgical gloves and a surgical mask if it's the good stuff...
I used such a jar when I lived in LA and it worked quite well when I threw it into a group of folks that were bent on mugging me. Better than a little spray bottle. Jim March
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No, the quarters in the sock thing is a POOR choice for doggies. Pain alone won't slow 'em down. And they're concussion-resistent. You have to punch through one of the two "thin spots" on the skull...they're at the level of the ears or a tad behind.
A knife with a well-designed grip is perfect.
A knife with a well-designed grip is perfect.
In the old days.....
Mid- 60's, we had to pretty much make up our own weapons. Since I wasn't much of a hand with tools, I hooked up with a friend who had spent hard time in Sing Sing. He said one of the weapons of choice in prison was a hard bar of soap in a sock. Good flailing weapon, gives you a little reach, and is easily constructed.
As far as the Kubotan is concerned, I knew Tak Kubota, the inventor....the Kubotan design was taken from yawara sticks. Tak came here to teach LAPD a lot of unarmed arrest techniques and came up with his Kubotan to help them with comealong techniques.
Tak is a tough little guy and you can bet his weapons were made to handle in rough, tough situations. When used properly, they can really hurt people.
Good luck.:banghead: :banghead:
Usually with dogs in general? Just stand perfectly still or stand as tall as you can , then yell suddenly and come at them...works.
Mid- 60's, we had to pretty much make up our own weapons. Since I wasn't much of a hand with tools, I hooked up with a friend who had spent hard time in Sing Sing. He said one of the weapons of choice in prison was a hard bar of soap in a sock. Good flailing weapon, gives you a little reach, and is easily constructed.
As far as the Kubotan is concerned, I knew Tak Kubota, the inventor....the Kubotan design was taken from yawara sticks. Tak came here to teach LAPD a lot of unarmed arrest techniques and came up with his Kubotan to help them with comealong techniques.
Tak is a tough little guy and you can bet his weapons were made to handle in rough, tough situations. When used properly, they can really hurt people.
Good luck.:banghead: :banghead:
Usually with dogs in general? Just stand perfectly still or stand as tall as you can , then yell suddenly and come at them...works.
bad_dad_brad
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LASur5r is correct. Most dogs when confronted and shouted or growled at will not attack. They might still bark but the sight of strong words and flailing arms will bluff them. Run and they will try to bite you. The exception is a trained and or sick/rabid dog which continue to attack.
If you want to hit a dog to really hurt him, to stop him, hit him in the nose. Full of nerve endings. If you don't have a defensive weapon, punch him really hard in the nose. I read once that this is also a tactic to apply if a lion is trying to eat you. Geez I hope I never have to try that!
I can't believe canes and batons are banned in California as defensive weapons. Come on. I know it is true, but how stupid is that.
If you want to hit a dog to really hurt him, to stop him, hit him in the nose. Full of nerve endings. If you don't have a defensive weapon, punch him really hard in the nose. I read once that this is also a tactic to apply if a lion is trying to eat you. Geez I hope I never have to try that!
I can't believe canes and batons are banned in California as defensive weapons. Come on. I know it is true, but how stupid is that.
10-Ring
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Like I mentione, I had to deal w/ 2 dogs. I was able to kick the lead dog, but #2 was just a 1/2 step behind & that was the one that bit me. Believe, that was the last time any uncooked animal gets that close.
280PLUS
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my brothers dog JUST BARELY nipped a woman on the butt as she was leaving his premises. for some reason the stupid dog will let you in but wont let you out. anyhow the nip didnt even break the skin. result : $12,000 from his homeowners policy to her and cancellation of said policy. of course this is connecticut not cali.
anyhow, an old trick is to carry a towel or sweatshirt, whatever, and if your attacked to whip it out (the towel) and basically give it to the dog(s) they will usually focus on it instead of you. is this foolproof? cant say but i have seen it work.
another is to immediately freeze while firmly shouting NO!! as loud as you can repeatedly. most trained dogs will respond to this by ceasing their actions. again, foolproof? cant say but ive seen this work too, on a very very large rottie with a broken chain around his neck and barreling straight for yours truly.
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my brothers dog JUST BARELY nipped a woman on the butt as she was leaving his premises. for some reason the stupid dog will let you in but wont let you out. anyhow the nip didnt even break the skin. result : $12,000 from his homeowners policy to her and cancellation of said policy. of course this is connecticut not cali.
anyhow, an old trick is to carry a towel or sweatshirt, whatever, and if your attacked to whip it out (the towel) and basically give it to the dog(s) they will usually focus on it instead of you. is this foolproof? cant say but i have seen it work.
another is to immediately freeze while firmly shouting NO!! as loud as you can repeatedly. most trained dogs will respond to this by ceasing their actions. again, foolproof? cant say but ive seen this work too, on a very very large rottie with a broken chain around his neck and barreling straight for yours truly.
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larry_minn
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I had a Air Force SP K-9 get away from idiot who was supposed to be the handlier and go after me. I was walking across open parking lot toward main gate from inside.
My car was too far away and locked and no other shelter short of climbing onto car roof.
I put arms out to side and froze and let Rin Tin Tin bark/growl/carry on. Idiot finally catchs up and drags dog away. He then asks me why I didn't run.
After explaining the facts of life he asked what I would have done if dog had bit me. I replied I would have killed the dog and then showed the open knife in my right hand hid from his and dogs sight.
He gets the left arm to chew on as I saw his throat. Only used once and that was in MN winter so I had many layers of clothing on my arm and hardly drew blood (on me)
My car was too far away and locked and no other shelter short of climbing onto car roof.
I put arms out to side and froze and let Rin Tin Tin bark/growl/carry on. Idiot finally catchs up and drags dog away. He then asks me why I didn't run.
After explaining the facts of life he asked what I would have done if dog had bit me. I replied I would have killed the dog and then showed the open knife in my right hand hid from his and dogs sight.
He gets the left arm to chew on as I saw his throat. Only used once and that was in MN winter so I had many layers of clothing on my arm and hardly drew blood (on me)
SquirrelNuts
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Man, I am glad I live in Georgia and not California! If I want to go for a walk I can carry my Glock 17 with high caps, 1911A1, Raven, 6 knives, my M1, a softball bat (larger sweet spot), mace, an ASP, a shotgun, a sword, and a tamp bar. None are illegal to carry or use for defensive purposes.
God bless the state of Georgia!
Here is one option not yet listed. IF this is LEGAL...carry a neon green clear plastic squirt gun filled with vinegar. One squirt in the eyes and that dog will take off. Not much of a danger to you in the event of wind. I bet it is probably illegal in your state though.
-SquirrelNuts
God bless the state of Georgia!
Here is one option not yet listed. IF this is LEGAL...carry a neon green clear plastic squirt gun filled with vinegar. One squirt in the eyes and that dog will take off. Not much of a danger to you in the event of wind. I bet it is probably illegal in your state though.
-SquirrelNuts
MPFreeman
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Cue ball and a winter sock???
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Talk to animal control, as you are. Also, I'd carry a folding knife and pepper spray. I fought off one large (110 lbs.) male and got a trip to the emergency room for it AFTER I put him down with an arm across the throat. Then he went docile. But, as you say, you're talking about two dogs. Pepper spray them. If they're pro dogs (they go for the groin or hamstring, as noted previously) don't be afraid to use the knife. Once you're down and/or covering up, they'd proceed to tear out your throat. So stick 'em often and early.
fish2xs
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Years ago, I was charged by a single (big) dog while on a walk w/ a date. I had spent the day working on my house and had trashed my back. My date bolted when the dog came at us. I turned to follow her, but with one step I was in searing pain.
I turned back and charged the dog with all the hate in my face that I could muster.
The moral? When you can't run and have no .45, attack.
I turned back and charged the dog with all the hate in my face that I could muster.
The moral? When you can't run and have no .45, attack.
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