Black Day for British Gun Owners

[BryanP]

OtG,

Go to your favorite search engine and search on NASCAR in combination with such terms as bootlegging, moonshine, etc... All will be made clear.

 

[carpettbaggerr]

She's talkin' 'bout NASCAR.

So, agricola, the answer is one? You guys don't learn from history, but don't worry. If the Nazi's come back, I'm sure we'll lend you some guns if you need them.

 

[agricola]

if they do come back, we will probably beat them off again while you lot stay out of it

 

[Tamara]

carpettbaggerr,

If the Nazi's come back, I'm sure we'll lend you some guns if you need them.

Now, now, we didn't just provide them guns. Also planes, ships, tanks, and half of Winnie.

 

[SMLE]

I recall seeing a picture of a 90 year old British Clergyman leanring to "Present Arms" as part of the Home Guard. He had a US made P14 or 1917 rifle. The Brits suddenly realized that they needed EVERYBODY to be ready for an invasion. At the end of the war they blithly tossed that little fact into the dustbin and dumped tons of small arms into the sea. You'd think as many times as European despots haved threatened England with invasion, they'd have learned to think like the Swiss. The men who forced Prince John to sign Magna Carta must be spinning in their graves.

 

[gunsmith]

Dunblane

I was living in Ireland when that happend and I remember reading newspaper articles saying that the locals had reported him to the police for brandishing and making threats and the cops believed him when he said "he was taking them to be cleaned" or some such nonsense.
If he was doing that crap anywhere in the USA he would be busted lickety split.
I hope.

If even 1 % of the gun owners in the USA resisted confiscation (and I think you can count on at least 5%) thats a heck of a lot of people.

I think Americans are a lot less docile then the Irish/English I lived with for two years,they tend to swallow what they read/hear in their news media

 

[OtG]

BryanP:

Go to your favorite search engine and search on NASCAR in combination with such terms as bootlegging, moonshine, etc... All will be made clear.

Thought so. Now someone needs to explain to me how it's changed since then.

 

[Tamara]

-A ban on "dum-dum" bullets, except for deer-shooting

What is this, Lethal Weapon???

...or New Jersey?

 

[pdog]

This wasn't meant to be a bash Britain thread.
I think that most british pistol shooters got the short end of the stick. This ban was only possible because the "gun culture" in britain has withered away. I think that despite the 2nd Am. our only hope is to maintain a healthy youth "gun culture" despite legislative attempts to make it illegal. We need to learn from the mistakes of the british gunowners. I think this ban was in the mail long before it was instituted. So maybe we should all help out our local Jr 4-H shooting team.

 

[G36-UK]

It's getting worse. The Gun Control Network, our hoplophobe group, is now more than ever trying to push for a ban on replicas, following a drive-by shooting over here.

Gee, why don't they just ban real guns? I mean, it'd penalize the law abiding, but it should cut crime.........

Oh wait, we already did that, and despite the GCN caiming that it's replicas now, real gun crime has gone up, proving their knee-jerk ban was a piece of pish.

Sorry for this language, but why can't they just dispense with the ????e, and have the testicular fortitude to actually apologise to all of the people who gave up their guns and haven't been given what they were due*?

*For those of you who don't know, the people who gave up their guns were supposed to be compensated in full. The poor sods who actually bought this got such a small amount it could be barely called a fraction, if they were lucky to get anything at all.

 

[BeLikeTrey]

ok

in case this wasn't touched on...
Dum dum= bullet with wieght ofcenter for the express purpose of causing the bullet to tumble/sprawl upon impact. In WWII rounds were shaved or filed on one side by some troops to effect this.

Most poular sport? NASCAR?! say it aint so

 

[SMLE]

Dum-Dums

Actually, the name comes from the arsenal at Dum Dum in India. A couple of marks of early .303 ammo actually had soft point bullets designed to "set up" (expand) when they hit a body. This was done at first because it was thought that the "small" .303 bullet would not be as good a stopper as the .450 MH round. At least one of these soft point designs originated at Dum Dum, and that arsenal kept on making such rounds after others switched to FMJ bullets. Later on, Dum Dum made standard FMJ ammo. There was some controversy and claimes of "war crimes" made against the Brits when ammo crates marked Dum Dum were captured in both the Boer war and WWI. The Boers and Germans didn't understand ,or ignored, the fact that it was the name of the arsenal, not the type of bullet.

 

[BeLikeTrey]

looks like you got more history on it than I ....

I think we're both right..

This was what I found. Since the Arsenal you spoke of modified rounds have been called "dum dum".

Dum dum
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Dum-dum is the colloquial name for several types of modified ammunition for firearms. A Hollow point bullet is sometimes referred to as such. Normal jacketed ammunition that has had notches carved across the top is also called by this term. The effect of the latter is for the jacket to fragment upon impact into four chunks, along the cross indentation. This creates a shotgun type wound, with multiple exit points, and greater blood loss and trauma. However, the downside to altering a bullet in this fashion makes it less aerodynamic, and thus less accurate at longer ranges.

Originally, dum-dum referred to a new type of ammunition produced at the Dum-dum arsenal in British India (near Calcutta) in the early 1890s. Soon after the introduction of smokeless powder to firearms, full metal jacket bullets were introduced to reduce stripping by the new, higher velocities. However it was soon noticed that such rounds were less effective at wounding or killing an enemy than older lead bullets. Within the British Indian Army, the Dum-dum arsenal produced its now infamous solution; elsewhere the Army tried the Mark IV (1897) and Mark V (1899) hollow point rounds.

Dum-dum rounds were outlawed following the Hague Convention of 1899. However, some soldiers would occasionally try to modify a full metal jacket round into a Dum-dum by filing the gilding metal off the tip. Thus, Dum-dum came to mean a jacketed bullet illicitly or illegally modified to expand.