Black powder is a felony

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For the record Mykeal, it wasn't you I was criticizing, it was comments like these:

Zoogster it ain't this forum that needs to be moved from, it's any wet fart like you that one needs to be moved from.
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Seems pretty hate filled to me now doesn't it? You call me a hater for saying it but its the truth, you are so pissed off that people have posted something about your precious state and it has made you mad. That's life. We in America have the freedom of speech, but we don't have the freedom not to be offended. You should have been more high road Smokin_gun, instead of just calling him a wet fart. Sure, I am the hater here.

Oh 1 more thing:
no one else mentioned the word attack but you.
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I don't have to say I am attacking someone to make it official. I don't run around and say "I AM ATTACKING YOU NOW!!! HERE COMES THE INSULTS!!!" Very brilliant on your part. (and yes that was an attack genius.)
 
Zoogster,

I want case law, which is the real truth, not the meanderings of 'news' outlets that (even you admit in your post) can't get the facts correct.

I don't want anecdotes or some tenth hand story that someone maybe remembers part of what he might have heard someone say or maybe read someplace.

Provide the legal citations, e.g. The State of California vs. John XXXXX, date XXXXXX, XXXXX Court. Please.

Very simple, yes or no questions. No answers, just several paragraphs of rambling anecdotes. I give up.
 
No problem Mykeal. I thought your post had some good questions in them. I just get tired of the insults (although I just made a few just to prove a point) that get thrown around to people instead of a good debate.
 
Seems pretty hate filled to me now doesn't it? You call me a hater for saying it but its the truth, you are so pissed off that people have posted something about your precious state and it has made you mad. That's life. We in America have the freedom of speech, but we don't have the freedom not to be offended. You should have been more high road Smokin_gun, instead of just calling him a wet fart. Sure, I am the hater
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Maybe you should look into that crystal ball you have and see how long it will take before someone "SEEMS" like they'll shove it where the sun won't shine. And end the love affair you have with you littlefriend.:rolleyes:

I give too!
Mykeal he ain't commin' back, Zoogster just did as I mentioned he'd try to do and split the Black Powder shooters up. Causing a comic mess of this thread.
Pohill love ya like a brother, Mykeal you are alright anytime in my book, dwave I don' t know you that well but I like you too.

Back to shootin' The Holy Black...go make Smoke!

SG
 
If some people don't want to hear something is illegal, even when clearly cited and shown to them then that is thier problem.

If you want to do something illegal because you probably won't be held accountable for breaking the law, then that is fine too.

It is still the law, it can still be a serious crime, and attacking the messenger does not change that.

I have put enough into this to inform people of the issue. Consider yourself informed. If it is not good enough for you then you can do your own research.

Happy Shooting.
 
But you Zoogster can ****:neener:
And the above means Stay Thankful For Us:D

I don't hate you I hate no one, but I sure don't have to like you.

That whole speal was pure BS and redundant, you never answered one direct question and merely repeadedly copied and pasted parts of empty text with no value by itself....Now I'm done with you.

Thank you all but one very much and appologize to any others I may have offended.:cool:

SG
 
I don't think Zoogster is a Han Jian

He has almost 2000 posts, and a top contributor to THR. I don't understand why would he want to split the shooting community apart.

But, now that the topic is brought up, I will say this: we do have some real Han Jians in the shooting community. Groups such as American Hunters and Shooters Association:barf::barf:

BTW: "Han Jian" is a word that we used during World War II to describe any Chinese person who defected over to the Japanese occupation army and actually aided the Japanese military in capturing and killing members of the Resistance.
 
It is an interesting forum, but it is amazing how after arguing we still get along in the end. So much better than how most of the fighting goes on the other forums. I think that is why I like this forum so much.
 
ya it is. where i live in 40 minutes i could be at the beach, or 40 minutes i can be in the mountains, or 40 minutes i could be in the desert. You could never get bored of it, there is no such thing as there is nothing to do. There are more shops here, more deals here, more places to see and things to do than any other part of the country. There are places in beverly hills where the other people go (people with money). That sell pants for 600.00. Amazingly people buy them. I did a job a few weeks ago in beverly hills. In the parking lot were 4 Bentleys the $400,000 car. Just friggen amazing. As for me if i want clothes on the cheap side. You can go to the garmet district. Its the place where they make the clothes and get them from over sees and the buyers from all the companies go to mass purchase there stuff. You can buy clothes straight from the boxes when they got off the boats for dirt cheap, not just clothes too. So ya it has its advantages. Just the laws really suck.
 
Felonies

Almost everything you do could be a felony in this country. We live under an authoritarian facist government that would be more than happy to put you in prison for the slightest offence and use you as slave labor. There are almost 2.5 million Americans who are inmates in the United States prison system. More than any other country per-capita in the world. That would include China and the former Soviet Bloc. If you havent't noticed, the right wing nut cases have shredded our constitution and violated all the liberties that we true patriots hold dear. And the current administration has even justified torture in the Justice Department in the name of National Security... So hold onto yur guns and grab yer buns. We are in for a wild ride...:cool:
 
If you havent't noticed, the right wing nut cases have shredded our constitution
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Be careful on this one. I think it is important to remember who your friends are. Those "right wingers" are the only ones in Washington who will defend "our" second amendment rights. While the current admin is far from perfect, the alternative (no names mentioned, but you all know who we are referring to) is going to be a huge threat to those of us who cling to our guns and religion. :)
 
Ya know, as I get older, I try to ignore differing opinions that I consider totally off the wall, but chaoszen...would you care to elaborate? You see, I actually love this country and our way of life. I live in Massachusetts, which is about as restrictive as it gets when it comes to gun laws, but I have all the guns I want. I really don't think the Constitution has been shredded... really, would you care to elaborate?
 
Please don't.

This is a black powder, not a political forum. Take your political discussions and opinions elsewhere, please.

Thank you.
 
This is a black powder, not a political forum
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I agree completely, but he did get my dander up.
I gotta work on that, especially in an election year..
 
It is an interesting forum, but it is amazing how after arguing we still get along in the end. So much better than how most of the fighting goes on the other forums. I think that is why I like this forum so much.
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black powder shooters tend to be more prone to argument in my experiance. BUT at the end of it all, they manage to get to the bottom of what the argument was about and SOLVE it.
 
After reading most of the posts on this topic, and the news article from Norco California, I find the whole thing a bit disturbing.
1- I find the old gentleman might have been railroaded. Clearly he should have not fought with the firemen, if that is what he did.
2- If he was sent to the hospital for mental evaluation, there would have to be good reasons to do that.
3- It is not against the law in California to commit suicide, you just can't help someone do it.
4- Given the amount of information in the news article, I think the police may have over re-acted. There was no mention of the execution of a search warrant. They cannot go into places such as tunnels without probable cause and or permission. The fact there was a tunnel there without any more information given, does not allow them to enter.
5- Calling for the HazMat folks was clearly an over reaction, given the information on the news.
6- For the police to call in ATF and whoever else to assist in their investigation was another layer at possibly making more of this than it really is. The news media loves this sort of thing and take delight in making mountains out of mole hills. And unfortunately so do some of those in positions of authority. Face time on the news and in the press can be a feather in your cap, and enhances your chances for promotion or choice assignments.
7- The amount of black powder is merely an enhancement to whatever else the old gent is possibly facing charges on. The first thing that started the ball rolling was his resisting or interferring with the firemen according to the news.
8- Lacking more information, it would seem to me the police are walking a thin line as to how they will justify the arrest. That being said, the possible illegal search of the residence and the collection of "evidence" stands a good chance of being thrown out in court if it gets that far.
9- The damage, right or wrong, is done.
10- I speak from experience. And again, given the information, it could have been handled differently.
11- I have a large "cache" of socks in my sock drawer.
 
DoubleDeuce1,
did you read the outcome of the arrest?
I gotta say, if my neighbor's house is on fire, and he has that much powder, ammo, etc inside, I hope the hell they put the fire out.

Here is the situation aobut a month later, he reached a plea agreement for having unregistered assault weapons legal prior to 2000 that he had possessed, but primarily for having explosives, the gun powder.
They mention 185 pounds here, probably combining the previous amounts of loose powder with the weight of the loaded ammunition.
He plead guilty so they can essentialy say what they want and no challenge is made to it.
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Re-Felonies

It looks like this particular thread got a bit political before I stumbled in.:uhoh: But in deference to some senior members I will not elaborate (no matter how much I may want to) on my previous post. I got a bit carried away. Maybe it's because I was born and raised in California.;)
 
Pohill, I agree if the neighbor's house is on fire and there is powder around, or ammunition, putting the fire out would be first and foremost. Been there and done that a few times.
As for the final outcome, I think it is a shame. Too bad he didn't have his day in court, but then again maybe the cost for defending himself would have been too much for him to bear. But again, not knowing the facts kind of hampers thorough thinking and reasoning through the maze.
I also have to think that maybe the old gent got some advice not to fight. I would almost bet there is some clause, written or implied, in there for him not to sue the various agencies for violation of his civil rights in exchange for a plea of guilt.
I just believe it could have been handled a lot better.
 
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