Both De-cocker and Manual Safety Pistols

[napierm005]

I am looking at the FNH 45acp Pistol as a re-deployment present to myself. I noticed that it a manual safety as well as a de-cocker. My cz-52 has a similar set up. I was wondering what other pistols have both of these features. I know CZ offers one or the other, but I have yet to see a CZ with both. Can anyone tell me some other pistols with both the de-cocker and the manual safety?

 

[x_wrench]

in my opinion, that might be fine for california, or a range gun. but it sounds like a lot of things to slow you down in a defensive situation. i agree that one or the other is not a bad idea. i just have a hard time swallowing both on the same gun.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Beretta M9 series pistols have both I believe (I may be wrong). The PX4 Storms and Stoegar cougars also have them. I have a Cougar and having both on the gun doesn't slow you down much. If you keep a round in the chamber (as anyone should), there is no problem as long as you don't mind the DA trigger pull on the first shot. If you want to carry cocked and locked, that's not going to work obviously. I mainly use that gun as a range toy though, and rely on revolvers for defense.

I think HK pistols have a decocker as well. Anyone know for sure?

 

[roadliner]

The Taurus OSS model has a safety and a de-cocker. Some of their millennium pro models might offer that too.

 

[Demon Barber]

My HK USP40 has a manual safety/de-cocker.

 

[Dudemeister]

Some (but not all) HK USP variants have both a safety and a de-cocking option. On those models, the de-cocking lever has 3 positions, up for safe, middle ready to fire, and push down to de-cock.

 

[TheNev]

Both my walther ppk/s and my CZ 70 have the same setup. Lever up is fire, down is decock and safe.

 

[JustinJ]

HK USP and Ruger P89 and 95(maybe all of P series?) come to mind. I know there are a few others but am drawing a blank. Ruger SR9 i think but not sure.

 

[bugmania]

The Makarov decocks when you engage the safety.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

There are really two kinds of, and a distinction between, manual safeties that also decock, in common usage. One type, mounted on the frame, is up for safe, down for fire, and pushed all the way down to decock, after which it springs back up to the fire position. The other, usually mounted on the slide, lowers the hammer and disconnects the trigger linkage when pushed down, putting the gun "on safe." It does not, however, go back up until you push it up. Whether you want to carry it holstered with the safety on or off is up to you. However, this type is more difficult to push up to disengage.

 

[Reasoned1]

Although I can't generally recommend Taurus, their model 92 (Beretta copy) has a dual-function safety and, unlike the Beretta, it's mounted on the frame instead of the slide. I agree with those that find this a bit too complicated for defensive purposes, but it's a pretty sweet set-up if you insist on a manual safety.

 

[ursus100]

Beretta M9 series pistols have both I believe (I may be wrong)... Anyone know for sure?

I own a Beretta 92FS (same deal as M9/96, etc) and it has a slide mounted manual safety, that also decocks the hammer, but both functions are actuated by a single lever, which I am guessing is different than what NapierM005 was asking about.

There are other variants. The 92 G has the decocking lever without the safety function. After you trip the hammer with the decocker, it pops back to fire mode.

They also have double action only models for which decocking is not applicable because the hammer cannot remain in a cocked position, and for these the 92DS has a manual safety while the 92D does not.

 

[Poohgyrr]

Third generation S&W's are available at good prices; if you want something special the Performance Center models are sweet.

The trigger reach on these is shorter then several other brands; reliability is famous world wide. Just my opinion and worth what it cost.

 

[wlewisiii]

I don't mind any of them, but since I've gotten my Ruger KP97DC I have become a convert to the decocker only model as the first shot is just like my S&W Model 64 (and other DA/SA revolvers) that I'm used to.

 

[napierm005]

I am still in possession of an M9, and I have learned to hate a safety that must be pushed up to disengage. I am a firm believer in the 1911 style of pressing down to fire. I like the fnh 45 because it allows multiple carry options like "cocked and locked", Decocked with or without manual safety on. Whoever designed the beretta did a fine job on the accuracy and the reliability, but should have held off on getting drunk until they designed the safety. After living and working with the Italian army for almost a year, I know alcohol played a serious factor in the M9's design process.

 

[TonyT]

For a purely self defense weapon I stongly prefer a pistol without any external hammers or safeties. Thus I opt for guns such as the S&W M&P, S&W 99, Glock or Kahr. I shoot several 1911's in both bullseye and the usual pistol games where their more finely tuned triggers are an advantage.

 

[ny32182]

If I had to pick one I would definitely prefer the Taurus 92 style of saftey system over the slide mounted lever on the Beretta. Up for safe, down for fire, all the way down to decock. There is no "complications for defensive purposes". You can pick your choice of C&L, or double action/safety off on the same gun, and either way it operates just like 1911 or DA/SA type design, depending on which route you go.

I still prefer the Glock type action as it is the ultimate in simplicity.

 

[Nushif]

In terms of safeties and carry mode options I am honestly really surprised that the Taurus 92 system they also use on the PT911 (my favorite pistol for everyday use) isn't industry standard. It gives everyone what they want and doesn't hinder the function of the weapon at all ...

Some companies use that kind of design, but for some reason there's a few (sadly of which Beretta is one) that for some reason don't adopt it. Why? It's beyond me? (Come to think of it, Beretta does use it ... in the 9000 series, but that's hardly their standard gun)