Boys I know she ain't pretty....

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Try a few jacketed 250gr. They work great in my revolvers. ( congrats on the 40gr loads!! Sounds like my kinda shooting!)

Mike

If smokeless she gets 9.3 or 9.5 unique.
Depends on which way the wind is blowung that day ;-)

 

[hawg]

If smokeless she gets 9.3 or 9.5 unique.
Depends on which way the wind is blowung that day ;-)

If I'm going smokeless I don't want something that's almost as dirty as black. I use W231.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

If I'm going smokeless I don't want something that's almost as dirty as black. I use W231.

Ive got plenty of that as well ;-)

 

[Appalachiannative]

Awful pretty to me

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Awful pretty to me

Thanks brother, she's a good lass

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Dave,
Im glad you like your load and it works for you.
I in the same respect also like mine
Does the extra 5 grains make a difference? Id say yes quite a bit due to compression and it seems more accurate.
Ive shot many a 35 grain load myself but ive settled on
40 grains of 3f old eyesnford

Give it a try with some... gasp.... 4 fg powder. It really comes to life, lots of bark and more bite.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Dave,
Im glad you like your load and it works for you.
I in the same respect also like mine
Does the extra 5 grains make a difference? Id say yes quite a bit due to compression and it seems more accurate.
Ive shot many a 35 grain load myself but ive settled on
40 grains of 3f old eyesnford

I prefer to load the full 40 grains also. In my experience, more compression equals cleaner burning and better accuracy. Other's results may vary! The difference in case capacity between a solid head and balloon case head is minuscule.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Give it a try with some... gasp.... 4 fg powder. It really comes to life, lots of bark and more bite.

Yes, I've come to believe that 4fg is pistol powder.

 

[Dave T]

Dave,
Im glad you like your load and it works for you.
I in the same respect also like mine
Does the extra 5 grains make a difference? Id say yes quite a bit due to compression and it seems more accurate.
Ive shot many a 35 grain load myself but ive settled on
40 grains of 3f old eyesnford

BPW,

I wasn't telling you what to do, just asking why. With all my black powder cartridge guns I'm trying to relive what it was like shooting them in the Post Civil War West. For that reason I try to duplicate the original performance as close as I can.

Load which ever way yer stick floats. Just be safe.

Dave

 

[hawg]

I have some plated Berrys projectiles but the jacket likes to peel off during bullet seating so theyve sat in the closet.

He's using a conversion cylinder.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

He's using a conversion cylinder.

Im aware. Im speaking of seating the bullet into the brass senõr Hawg

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Yes, I've come to believe that 4fg is pistol powder.

I've come to believe the same my friend

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

BPW,

I wasn't telling you what to do, just asking why. With all my black powder cartridge guns I'm trying to relive what it was like shooting them in the Post Civil War West. For that reason I try to duplicate the original performance as close as I can.

Load which ever way yer stick floats. Just be safe.

Dave

Dave,

Sorry if my reply sounded snarky brother I meant no harm.
I've had lengthy "discussions" on here and other forms regarding 40 grains of powder in a modern 45 colt case .
I thought Oh No here we go again!

 

[hawg]

The original .45 Colt load WAS 40 grains behind a 255 grain bullet. You can't get much more historical than that.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

The original .45 Colt load WAS 40 grains behind a 255 grain bullet. You can't get much more historical than that.

Yes, Elmo Keefe had great respect for that loading, said that Remington loaded the .45 Colt that way for the commercial/civilian market. At least that's what I remember Elmo saying. The Army's logistical problems were a whole other story.

 

[45 Dragoon]

BPW,

I wasn't telling you what to do, just asking why. With all my black powder cartridge guns I'm trying to relive what it was like shooting them in the Post Civil War West.
Dave

"Why" is a great question . . . I shoot 45acp +p . . . because I can . . . no more reason than that!!

Mike

 

[woodnbow]

But she still gets the job done.
2019 pietta
Kirst cylinder
40 grains BP
252 big lube bullet

She eats em all day.....

That is a beauty!! In my opinion it’s THE proper barrel length for a horse packin’ gunfighting and everyday carrying pistol… none finer!

 

[hawg]

"Why" is a great question . . . I shoot 45acp +p . . . because I can . . . no more reason than that!!

Mike

Because history that's why. Why do you think I don't want any of your mods? I've said it over and over because they didn't come that way back in the day. Why do you think I don't like ROA's? It's all about history.

 

[dickydalton]

Because history that's why. Why do you think I don't want any of your mods? I've said it over and over because they didn't come that way back in the day. Why do you think I don't like ROA's? It's all about history.

Well Hawg, history isn't what you want it to be anymore.. Better buckle up for the end of the world as you know it.

 

[hawg]

Well Hawg, history isn't what you want it to be anymore.. Better buckle up for the end of the world as you know it.

History isn't going to change.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

History may not change but times are, it may very well get to the point where all we have is black powder historical arms, if that happens you go with what works and to hell with how it was done 100 years ago!

 

[45 Dragoon]

Because history that's why. Why do you think I don't want any of your mods? I've said it over and over because they didn't come that way back in the day. Why do you think I don't like ROA's? It's all about history.

Well now Hawg, what do you REALLY think!!

I understand that you don't like the coils and I doubt very many folks thought about them either back then. But, a bolt block just "lays" there and I'm sure some folks probably did that then. It does so much good to be such a "benign" part. An action stop is a most excellent addition ( but requires a small hole and tapping) that adds a lot of parts protection . . . and I'm sure that was done then as well. Just those two things probably offer the best "longevity" and parts protection anyone can do.

Now, I gotta take ya to task on the ROA thing!! You being into history and all ... should realize that the ROA is the 1st generation of an original design for a cap and ball revolver. It doesn't get any more original than that! The Italian copies of Colt's aren't correct in build or certain contours but, . . . But . . . BUt . . . BUT . . . the ROA is perfectly correct because they all were built by the parent company ( both versions) and are as an original product ( since it wasn't a copy of anything that existed before) as you can get. You oughta LOVE UM !!! You can't NOT get an original one . . . if anybody gets one, they have an original!! How cool is that ?!! Of course, I can make um better but that's beside the point . . . .

You know I'm just yanking your chain ( just a little!!) but hay . . . ROA's are originals .

Just think, 50 yrs from now folks will be griping about the inaccuracies of the then made copies of ROA's!!!!

Mike

 

[hawg]

Well now Hawg, what do you REALLY think!!

I understand that you don't like the coils and I doubt very many folks thought about them either back then. But, a bolt block just "lays" there and I'm sure some folks probably did that then. It does so much good to be such a "benign" part. An action stop is a most excellent addition ( but requires a small hole and tapping) that adds a lot of parts protection . . . and I'm sure that was done then as well. Just those two things probably offer the best "longevity" and parts protection anyone can do.

Now, I gotta take ya to task on the ROA thing!! You being into history and all ... should realize that the ROA is the 1st generation of an original design for a cap and ball revolver. It doesn't get any more original than that! The Italian copies of Colt's aren't correct in build or certain contours but, . . . But . . . BUt . . . BUT . . . the ROA is perfectly correct because they all were built by the parent company ( both versions) and are as an original product ( since it wasn't a copy of anything that existed before) as you can get. You oughta LOVE UM !!! You can't NOT get an original one . . . if anybody gets one, they have an original!! How cool is that ?!! Of course, I can make um better but that's beside the point . . . .

You know I'm just yanking your chain ( just a little!!) but hay . . . ROA's are originals .

Just think, 50 yrs from now folks will be griping about the inaccuracies of the then made copies of ROA's!!!!

Mike

Original to the 1950's. The black powder era was long gone by then. Don't ask me what I think of Ruger centerfire single actions . No the Italians aren't perfect but they're as close as you can get on a budget. I'm not criticizing you or your work. A mans got to make a dollar and I know you're good at it. It's just not something I want.

 

[45 Dragoon]

And, I fibbed a little, I actually shoot 45acp "extras" solely for platform testing and I don't recommend that anyone do so.
I'm actually in the process of finding a NEW "normal" load for 45C rounds for Dragoons as well as '60 conversions. I'm loading 45acp for testing now as well (rather than buying new).

Mike

 

[woodnbow]

Y’all are a bunch of opinionated SOB’s!! And that’s a fact! We really ought to have a get together sometime… somewhere in the middle of the country! Maybe Western Colorado.? Anyway, I believe the arguments and camaraderie would both be outstanding… then later over a jug of some kind of Bourbon we could all sing Kumbaya or something… on a serious note, I will miss this when I’m gone, if it’s possible to do so. The cut of your Jibs, I like em.