brand new AR jamming issues

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No clue, it's all mil-spec and appears to be of great build quality.

Don't these have polymer lowers? No offense but if the seller is calling it "mil-spec" they are being dishonest.

I've never owned a polymer lower, and this could happen with a metal, but also check mag catch. If the mag is sitting too low it could be causing your problem.
 
it's still utterly deceptive.

see, they say "made with mil-spec parts" (probably meaning at least 2 of the 100+ parts in the gun are mil-spec) and that causes people like the OP to say "No clue, it's all mil-spec and appears to be of great build quality."



look, the only thing that MIGHT be mil-spec about that rifle is the pistol grip and bolt carrier. maybe.

show me the mil-spec that includes a stainless steel barrel.
or a 1-8 twist with polygonal rifling
or a low pro gas block

the stock and receiver extension are commercial, not mil-spec. none of the YHM parts even pretend to be mil-spec.

i'm not saying mil-spec is best, nor am i saying that rifle is a pile of crap. i'm simply saying "mil-spec" is a set of specifications that includes requirements for materials, dimensions, AND assembly AND testing. and that mfg probably didn't meet any of those.
 
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Your rear sight is WAY WAY too far forward. It needs to be as far back as it will go to achieve proper sight picture.
 
sam, yeah, that picture was taken when I first got it and installed everything. I realized that before I went to the range fortunately.
 
Hi Arch, my advice is "shoot the snot out of it" don't let these issues get you down or frustrated. Run it now so if you need to the company will take care of it under warranty. I bought 2 Bushmaster carbines about 6yrs ago both new in the box, one ran great out of the box, the other not so much. Some new Pmag magazines and around 300rds later that carbine settled down and runs perfect now. Stay away from "pro mag" products they DO really stink, I bought some of those when I first got my AR's and they were part of my problem. Find a good operators/maintenance manual and learn front to back. Check out the NSSF website there are some good videos on the AR there and the maintenance isn't all that complicated. Good luck, and good shooting.
 
Sounds like a short stroke...shoots 5.56 just fine but 'jams' on underpowered .223.
 
Sounds like short stroking to me too.

My BCMs uppers are not reliable with PMC 223 either due to short stroking (when mounted on RRA complete lowers), though my RRAs eat it fine.
 
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I had a similar issue on my first AR, installed a spring in the lower wrong. Think it was the hammer spring.
 
was not able to shoot today. private range was closed for maintenance and the public range had a 2 hour wait for rifles. will try to get there early tomorrow morning. again, thanks for all the advice. if I don't discover a gas block issue tomorrow, I just won't use PMC .223 ammo anymore. I'm damn sure not going to buy more than one box of any certain .223 or 5.56 ammo before I make sure it cycles through my rifle properly first.
 
When you say, "it jams," what precisely is happening after your drop the hammer? The round fires... then what? Does it only partially cycle the bolt carrier group (BCG) to the rear, but not far enough to extract and eject the spent cartridge?
 
everything you said except the spent cartridge ejects, it just doesn't chamber another. the round ends up wedged between that gear shaped piece on the front of the BCG and the bevel leading into the barrel. I'm not up on the terms quite yet, I'm learning though...
 
Is it possible that we have an upper with feed ramps and a barrel without feed ramps? Or, the feed ramps are not aligned? Or, there are burrs?

Here is an example of misaligned feed ramps:

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the feed ramps (thanks cfullgraf) look good. aligned perfectly. no burrs. the machining on this thing is solid, it may have been put together incorrectly but I haven't seen a burr or any other machine anomaly.
 
My first thought is that the round (in the magazine) is improperly aligned to feed as the bolt cycles forward. Perhaps it is too low in relation to the feed ramp. Might be a magazine dilemma, like not seated properly. Try to borrow a magazine of a different type than those you have from someone else. See if that raises the round in relation to the bolt and feed ramp.

Also, don't worry about all the various parts and terms and so forth. None of us knew it all right out of the gate. Hell, some of us don't know it after 20 years! This sounds like it should have a fairly simple fix. Think of all the fun you'll have learning how everything functions...
 
When it does cycle, what is the ejection like? If they are just sort of dribbling out and landing very close to the rifle that's another strong indicator that the issue is under-gassing.
 
There could be a few things going on, it could just need a little more break in time, but with the low profile gas block, there could be a problem there with the alignment. It may be best to take off the handguard and check for leaks, and to check it for alignment.
 
If you are getting good ejection (no stovepipes or failure to lock back on last round) the gas system and spring/buffer setup is probably good.

If the rounds do not feed properly that is usually the mags or magwell. Since the PMags work in a buddies rifle, it may be as simple as the mag release being screwed in too far or not quite enough which would allow the mag to sit at the wrong spot in the lower, and the stripped round to feed into the top or bottom of the barrel extension rather than the chamber. It sounds like the round is wedged below the feed ramps, which makes me think the mag release may be rotated in too far, causing the mags to sit too low in the receiver.

With the bolt locked back and the mag empty, do the PMags drop free with just a bit of pressure on the mag release button? They should not bind in the lower receiver and you should not have to press the mag release button so far that is is almost inside the receiver before the mag releases.
 
everything you said except the spent cartridge ejects, it just doesn't chamber another. the round ends up wedged between barrel extension and the feed ramps...

Your problem is either short stroking or a bad magazine.

1) Get a new PMag

2) Put one round in the magazine and load the rifle and fire it. Check to see if the bolt locks back on the empty mag. If not, it is short stroking

3) Run the rifle with the new mag fully loaded and see if the problem continues

4) If the rifle runs good with 5.56, stick with that

How is your buffer marked?
 
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Could have the wrong buffer in it. Might try a lighter buffer and/or lighter spring. I don't buy into the "needs breaking-in" silliness. I've build several ARs, and have bought a couple of others. All my ARs work fine from day one. I mostly shoot my reloads through my ARs, but I don't load nuclear....just near max for whatever powder/bullet combo I'm using.

Unless I've put a primer in backwards or made some other reloading error, my ARs never fail!!!

I do use and prefer Mobil 1 to any of the so-called firearms specialty oils. I doubt if that's why my ARs work from the first shot, though.
 
Haven't seen it mentioned yet:

Make sure your gas block is still in the correct position as it looks like it's held in place by screws and not pinned. If it shifts at all you're no going to get enough gas to cycle the action.

BSW
 
Lots to know and terminology that needs to be explained. Forgive these guys, they have forgotten what it's like to be duffers like you and I. ;)

To start with, there is a metal collar around the barrel just under the front end of your handguard. This is the gas block. It is mounted over a hole drilled in the top of the barrel. Gas escapes the barrel here and is captured by the gas block. Therefore the gas block must exactly line up with the gas hole in the barrel.

The gas is passed back from the gas block via a thin tube along the top of the barrel under the hand guard to the bolt carrier. The gas tube connects to the bolt carrier via a gas key mounted on top the carrier.

When the gas enters the bolt carrier, the pressure pushes the bolt forward in the carrier like a piston (the rings on the rear of the bolt provide a gas seal just like the rings on a piston in your car engine). The bolt carrier moves backwards and a cam pin rotates the bolt which then unlocks it from the lugs in the rear of the barrel extension. The bolt is then free to move back with the bolt carrier and the spent shell case is ejected.

The bolt carrier then moves forward pushed by the buffer spring inside the stock. The bolt carrier and bolt strikes the rear of the next shell in the magazine pushing it forward into the chamber, the bolt enters the rear of the barrel extension, the bolt is compressed back into the bolt carrier, and the cam pin causes the bolt to rotate which locks the lugs together in the barrel extension ready for the next shot.

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OK... that being said, what is most likely happening is that the bolt carrier may not be moving far enough to the rear to allow it to strike the back of the next shell in the magazine so as to properly push it into the chamber. The reason the bolt carrier isn't moving far enough to the rear is either that it is not getting enough gas pressure or that the buffer spring is too strong or is binding back inside the stock. Forget about the ammo being at fault here. Any commercial ammo, 5.56 or .223, will create plenty of pressure. If not, there is something else amiss.

I doubt the buffer spring is too strong, but who knows... or maybe the buffer weights are too heavy, I doubt it unless Bubba has been at work. It could be binding inside the buffer tube if something is installed poorly.

If it's not getting enough gas pressure it can be because the gas block is not properly aligned with the gas hole in the top of the barrel, the gas block isn't sealing against the barrel, or the gas tube is out of alignment.

If the gas tube isn't aligned properly the gas tube and the gas key may not be fitting together properly. If this is the case there may be damage to the end of the gas tube and/or the opening on top of the gas key.

I notice you have a free float quadrail handguard with a forward grip mounted on it. The handguard mounts to the barrel nut (the nut that fastens the barrel to the receiver). The barrel nut has grooves cut around it, or holes drilled in it through which the gas tube passes. If this barrel nut gets turned ever so slightly out of alignment, it will force the gas tube out of alignment with the gas key. Some of these types of handguards are notorious for causing the barrel nut to turn, and this can be greatly aggravated with a forward hand grip. It's like having a wrench attached to turn a barrel nut that may not have been properly torqued down.

If such is the problem sometimes the bolt will scrape the top of the shell dragging it out of the magazine only to be pinched between the bolt and the barrel extension. But more often you should have failures of shells not getting extracted from the magazine at all.

If this isn't the cause it would most likely be feed problems with a faulty magazine. The bad magazine is the most common cause of feed problems, but you have sort of eliminated this. The other cause could be a problem with the feed ramps in the bottom of the barrel extensions. Most ARs these days have what are called M4 feed ramps (two alongside each other) in the upper receiver and in the barrel extension. These may be poorly formed or be missing in either the receiver or barrel extension. You can see these by removing the upper and shining a flashlight up under the receiver (look at the tip of the gas tube while you are in there).

In any case, unless you are set on learning a whole lot about your AR, a professional should be consulted. If it's a new rifle you should contact the manufacturer. But in either case knowing what's probably wrong with it up front will give you an advantage. With even a few shots fired through it you should be able to see any gas leaks in the form of soot. This will even tell you if the gas block is not aligned properly on the barrel when it is removed... don't ask me how I know. :banghead: :eek:
 
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