Brand New CZ Duty is broked.

[meanmrmustard]

^ Agreed. Not that I'm going to cipher what ya mean, Walt, but if the manufacturer does there job polishing what may be a turd to begin with, then does that mean CS has done any less than their job?

In my earlier post, I mentioned two instances where i used CS. Both were used, and I made CS aware of that. I did this politely, even though the guns were bust. No begging, just a polite attitude and an adult tone. They fixed both for free, no shipping cost to boot.

Take this for what it is, Titan. Maybe I missed where any one asked, or you voluntarily posted, about how you spoke with the CSR. It's action and reaction: You may blather on venomously with anger or sarcasm in your tone, likely doing one of two things. One, you may literally submit the CSR into doing what you want out of pure wariness of speaking with you. Second, you may have just PO'd the CSR, thus not getting your sought after sympathy. They are human, and have emotions same as you or I. Bruise them with a bad attitude, especially since they deal with many calls a day I'm sure, you're not going to get "I'm sorry", you're going to get them thinking "Get bent". I've read here where you are very passionate about this subject, so much so that you're getting a little vehement. That's the only reason I ask.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

... Not that I'm going to cipher what ya mean, Walt, but if the manufacturer does there job polishing what may be a turd to begin with, then does that mean CS has done any less than their job?

And, on a lighter note, even a coprolite (fossilized turd) can have great value. <grin>

Peace.

 

[meanmrmustard]

And, on a lighter note, even a coprolite (fossilized turd) can have great value. <grin>

Peace.

Only because it is highly sought after and rarity!

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Yes. I had to give you a shot. <grin>

And, we can agree NOT to compare the CZ Commemorative to a coprolite. The CZ-100, on the other hand...

(I had two of them, or was it three? In any event, had CZ-USA imported the CZ-110, which was the CZ-100 with a more conventional DA/SA action, it might've caught on. But getting it through the US "import" point system was apparently too difficult.)

 

[meanmrmustard]

Yes. I had to give you a shot. <grin>

And, we can agree NOT to compare the CZ Commemorative to a coprolite. The CZ-100, on the other hand...

(I had two of them, or was it three? In any event, had CZ-USA imported the CZ-110, which was the CZ-100 with a more conventional DA/SA action, it might've caught on. But getting it through the US "import" point system was apparently too difficult.)

Yes, no turd there, but not as old as coprolite indeed.

I admit, I've no history on the CZ 110. Why so much trouble to import?

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Here the point system that controls handgun imports. It's intended to make the import of "Saturday Night Specials" very difficult.

Length: for each 1/4" over 6" - 1

Forged steel frame - 15

Forged HTS alloy frame - 20

Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) - 1

.22 short and .25 auto - 0

.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto - 3

9mm parabellum and over - 10

Locked breech mechanism - 5

Loaded chamber indicator - 5

Grip safety - 3

Magazine safety - 5

Firing pin block or lock - 10

External hammer - 2

Double action - 10

Drift adjustable target sight - 5

Click adjustable target sight - 10

Target grips - 5

Target trigger - 2​

With the CZ-85 Combat, the lack of a firing pin block was offset by the addition of a click-adjustable rear sight. The CZ-110 apparently had some features that didn't add up to the required 75 points. (Other CZ .22s also didn't make the grade; .22s are a hard gun to get past the import restrictions.)

 

[RugerOldArmy]

In my earlier post, I mentioned two instances where i used CS. Both were used, and I made CS aware of that. I did this politely, even though the guns were bust. No begging, just a polite attitude and an adult tone. They fixed both for free, no shipping cost to boot.

Which brings up an element of this thread's customer service interaction that hasn't been brought up. I'll leave this as a purely rhetorical question:

- Could the 'Meh' attitude of the customer service rep have been a response to the tone or words used by the OP?

It seems plausible, based on this OPs replies to my polite question regarding what he would think if they resolve the issue with a fixed or new gun in a week. It would be a plausible reaction to receiving a bit of attitude for someone with, perhaps, an 'axe to grind'. (Even the title of the thread is a bit shrill, no?)

I'd advise him to never, ever, show such an attitude towards fast food workers, before receiving his food!

 

[meanmrmustard]

Which brings up an element of this thread's customer service interaction that hasn't been brought up. I'll leave this as a purely rhetorical question:

- Could the 'Meh' attitude of the customer service rep have been a response to the tone or words used by the OP?

It seems plausible, based on this OPs replies to my polite question regarding what he would think if they resolve the issue with a fixed or new gun in a week. It would be a plausible reaction to receiving a bit of attitude for someone with, perhaps, an 'axe to grind'. (Even the title of the thread is a bit shrill, no?)

I'd advise him to never, ever, show such an attitude towards fast food workers, before receiving his food!

Exactly my point in post #176. You get what you pay for. Including respect. If you pay no respect to some one, it may be their job to do so, but don't expect sympathy. Or as Ruger said, you may get a loogie in your barrel!!!

 

[TITAN308]

Ruger Ive posted multiple times that both myself and the CZ rep were professional and polite. Why you choose to ignore multiple clarifications on this is beyond me.

Whats worse it seems you are trying to to build animosity towards me based on your wild assumptions. Is there any particular reason you feel I have a reason to lie to everyone here?

Thats pretty low.

 

[TITAN308]

Here are a few....

1. I am always polite to Customer Service. If it ever gets to the point I want to tell them to pound sand I would hang up.

Though there is some comical attachments to people debating what customer service is with someone who's job function is to provide said customer service (even as a technical analyst) to multimillion dollar clients.

I don't like the fake "we so sorry" every 15 seconds like anyone else. I would however expect at least one attempt to sound like "I care, even if its just slightly or next to none."

I'm assuming you did not bother to read all the details. Both myself and the rep were very "professional/mature", that wasn't the topic at hand.

 

[RugerOldArmy]

Ruger Ive posted multiple times that both myself and the CZ rep were professional and polite. Why you choose to ignore multiple clarifications on this is beyond me.

Whats worse it seems you are trying to to build animosity towards me based on your wild assumptions. Is there any particular reason you feel I have a reason to lie to everyone here?

Thats pretty low.

Titan, you've drawn conclusions here, and throughout this thread you've done so, in a manner in which you expect us to conclude you're correct.

Yet only your side of the story was presented. My personal opinion based on many years of experience is that the truth often lies somewhere between diverging opinions.

In this reply you're contention is that you were polite and professional. Yet even here, the tone, points, and manner of your reply seem to suggest otherwise.

Consider if you're in anyway accountable to how folks react to your attitude and position, and you may very well learn a valuable lesson that would benefit you a great deal over the course of your life.

You suggest I have an agenda, but expect us to conclude you do not. How well do you think that is working?

 

[TITAN308]

I'm glad you have the ability to deduce tone from text on a screen.

I've been pretty lax about your insinuations so far, but if you feel the need to think I am lying or bending reality then keep it to yourself. By interjecting you lack of trust into the thread you are corrupting opinions that might otherwise be formed on their own.

I even put this in the original post about the phone call;

I know a lot of people like to embellish these conversations, but this is how it went as best I can remember:

Meaning from the get go we have all acknowledged a lot of stories on the internet that were lopsided.

Consider if you're in anyway accountable to how folks react to your attitude and position, and you may very well learn a valuable lesson that would benefit you a great deal over the course of your life.

Don't talk to me like I am your kid because I'm not. I might suggest to you that you take the tin foil hat off and take a break from the internet if we are giving sugestions based on replies.

I posted on a gun forum about my gun experience with a gun manufacturer and it is my opinion and mine alone. I never said anything was based in fact unless it happened within the context of MY experience. Its becoming clearer that you are acting as a CZ fanboy on their behalf and are failing to remain neutral on the matter.

You suggest I have an agenda, but expect us to conclude you do not. How well do you think that is working?

You are acting like Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson, you are playing up emotions based on your own assumptions. Good job.

As far as my agenda? I'll repeat myself because it seems nothing sinks in the first go around:


I posted on a gun forum about my gun experience with a gun manufacturer and it is my opinion and mine alone. I never said anything was based in fact unless it happened within the context of MY experience. Its becoming clearer that you are acting as a CZ fanboy on their behalf and are failing to remain neutral on the matter.

Nothing you will say will make my experience with them a week ago different. Your words and imaginary situations dealing with tone will not change it. Your insistance that I am not being anything but forthright and truthful will not change that.

You'll have to forgive me if my "tone" has gone from one of conversation to defense. People generally don't take lightly to be accused of being a liar. I will respond accordingly. For someone who is trying to portray wisdom, I would have imagined YOU would have learned that life lesson a long time ago.

Its one thing to say your two cents "well there is two sides to every story", its a completely different thing to continually push that idea when you have nothing to back it. If you can't understand the difference between having an opinion and then using your opinion to discredit someone maybe you should take some time and go learn the difference.

 

[RugerOldArmy]

I'm glad you have the ability to deduce tone from text on a screen.

I've been pretty lax about your insinuations so far, but if you feel the need to think I am lying or bending reality then keep it to yourself. By interjecting you lack of trust into the thread you are corrupting opinions that might otherwise be formed on their own.

I even put this in the original post about the phone call;


Quote:
I know a lot of people like to embellish these conversations, but this is how it went as best I can remember:

Meaning from the get go we have all acknowledged a lot of stories on the internet that were lopsided.


Quote:
Consider if you're in anyway accountable to how folks react to your attitude and position, and you may very well learn a valuable lesson that would benefit you a great deal over the course of your life.

Don't talk to me like I am your kid because I'm not. I might suggest to you that you take the tin foil hat off and take a break from the internet if we are giving sugestions based on replies.

I posted on a gun forum about my gun experience with a gun manufacturer and it is my opinion and mine alone. I never said anything was based in fact unless it happened within the context of MY experience. Its becoming clearer that you are acting as a CZ fanboy on their behalf and are failing to remain neutral on the matter.


Quote:
You suggest I have an agenda, but expect us to conclude you do not. How well do you think that is working?

You are acting like Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson, you are playing up emotions based on your own assumptions. Good job.

As far as my agenda? I'll repeat myself because it seems nothing sinks in the first go around:


I posted on a gun forum about my gun experience with a gun manufacturer and it is my opinion and mine alone. I never said anything was based in fact unless it happened within the context of MY experience. Its becoming clearer that you are acting as a CZ fanboy on their behalf and are failing to remain neutral on the matter.

Nothing you will say will make my experience with them a week ago different. Your words and imaginary situations dealing with tone will not change it. Your insistance that I am not being anything but forthright and truthful will not change that.

You'll have to forgive me if my "tone" has gone from one of conversation to defense. People generally don't take lightly to be accused of being a liar. I will respond accordingly. For someone who is trying to portray wisdom, I would have imagined YOU would have learned that life lesson a long time ago.

Its one thing to say your two cents "well there is two sides to every story", its a completely different thing to continually push that idea when you have nothing to back it. If you can't understand the difference between having an opinion and then using your opinion to discredit someone maybe you should take some time and go learn the difference.

I don't think this was needed to make my point. You can read it and consider if it did.

Alas, further replies don't seem worth the investment of my time.

 

[TITAN308]

 

[RugerOldArmy]

Ahhh! A picture of Curly Bill! (I even remember that scene. Barring the sappy love story, that was a good movie. The Doc Holiday character was great.)

There must have been a point...but I can't figure it out. Curly, by contrast was a worthy adversary. He had the courage to be rude face to face. And in the end his fate was...see it makes little sense.

Respect is earned...sometimes.

I remember eating dinner with a couple, a friend and his current girlfriend, on a cruise ship. His new girlfriend was very rude to the waitress, who had a butterfly tatto on the small of her back, it was painful to watch. My GF, my friend, and I were taken back by her ego and immaturity. When they arrived home from the trip, he had his film developed. Curiously, a picture he didn't remember taking was present. It took a bit to figure out, not knowing the context either. It was a woman's rear end, with a PINK toothbrush sticking out of her ****.

In the small of the toothbrush carrying woman's back was a butterfly tattoo.

I expect you're aspiring to such Karma. Good luck with that.

Hmmmm, maybe this IS worth some of my time.

I hope you enjoy the story of that picture too!

 

[TITAN308]

 

[Robert]

8 pages of bickering and whining is enough for this one.