The Bushmaster
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S&Wfan...Nice piece...Can I have the brass???
Brass Scroungers: Part Deux! Spoiled my Range Session.
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Mad Magyar
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Yes, WAIT outside my bern area until I'm done...If he wants to watch me or anybody else there are competive shootings at convenient times where he can observe & bend-over & pick to Kingdom come....
If you could of seen the smirk on his face...BTW, I was in Cond. Yellow, not RED...Maybe, I should have invited him later for some coffee, or a beer, huh!:banghead:
Amen, brother.....I kept watching his hands, both were out...If he would of stuck one of his hands in his pocket!!!!
:banghead:
Brian Williams
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If there has been some kind of attacks at your range you did just fine, but I think you were over the top, next time don't waste your time picking up your brass, or if you do just leave it for those who do scrounge.
Next time you go and you see him lurking, approach him before you shoot and strike up a conversation and get him involved in shooting either the breeze or a mild competition with you. If he is not interested in either ask him to wait til your done and then he can have at it for your brass, then just smile and wave as you leave.
Make a friend, don't create an enemy.
Shooting is supposed to be fun even while you train.
Next time you go and you see him lurking, approach him before you shoot and strike up a conversation and get him involved in shooting either the breeze or a mild competition with you. If he is not interested in either ask him to wait til your done and then he can have at it for your brass, then just smile and wave as you leave.
Make a friend, don't create an enemy.
Shooting is supposed to be fun even while you train.
Average Joe
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If they want the brass, they can have it, saves me the trouble of picking it up.
target1911
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WOW....Talking about being paranoid.......Not everyone out there is out to get ya.
VERY well said
YardVarmint
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At the public range I go to there is a "Brass Bucket". We are also supposed to clean up after ourselves.
I also reload and I do scrounge brass, in the bucket. Then it's obvious no one wants it back.
One time I had some Knot Head come to the Range and start catching my brass as it was ejected out of my pistol.
I stopped cleard my gun turned and asked him politely what he thought he was doing. I explained to him that I reload and normaly pick up my own brass. I did not ask for what he had back though. I did inform him it would be a bit more polite to ask people first.
Sorry guys but I don't have a super big income and to me I see it as being rude and cheap###ed to pull stuff like that on other shooters.
I also reload and I do scrounge brass, in the bucket. Then it's obvious no one wants it back.
One time I had some Knot Head come to the Range and start catching my brass as it was ejected out of my pistol.
I stopped cleard my gun turned and asked him politely what he thought he was doing. I explained to him that I reload and normaly pick up my own brass. I did not ask for what he had back though. I did inform him it would be a bit more polite to ask people first.
Sorry guys but I don't have a super big income and to me I see it as being rude and cheap###ed to pull stuff like that on other shooters.
Bushmaster wrote:
Man . . . you don't want my brass! I've got a few thousand rounds of brass now that have been reloaded so many times that the new primers don't want to stick in place!!!
I'm trying not to use that stuff anymore . . . not even for powder-puff practice loads.
Heck, I wouldn't want anyone to reload that brass . . . they might load 'em hot and use 'em in a pistol with an unsupported chamber! Ouch!
I've gotta drive by Villa Rica (GA) this week and I may just stop and Georgia Arms and pick up some new brazzzz.
Shoot straight . . . and have a great week!
Tom
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S&Wfan...Nice piece...Can I have the brass???
Man . . . you don't want my brass! I've got a few thousand rounds of brass now that have been reloaded so many times that the new primers don't want to stick in place!!!
I'm trying not to use that stuff anymore . . . not even for powder-puff practice loads.
Heck, I wouldn't want anyone to reload that brass . . . they might load 'em hot and use 'em in a pistol with an unsupported chamber! Ouch!
I've gotta drive by Villa Rica (GA) this week and I may just stop and Georgia Arms and pick up some new brazzzz.
Shoot straight . . . and have a great week!
Tom
T.
evan price
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I'm a Brass Badger.
When I shoot, when I am done, I gather up my brass.
I like to wait for cease fires so I am not distracting anyone.
If you have brass on the ground I will ask before I pick it up. I every now and then hear someone say back, Save me the starline .45's or something. Usually, what most people say is, thanks, now I don't have to clean it up. Do you want this revolver brass I've been dropping in my bag to throw out?
What can I say but THANKS!
So you are complaining because some guy was willing to spend time cleaning up what you weren't going to save anyway. And then, you basically said if he had his hand in his pocket you would have shot him.
Very high road.
And people wonder why I always have a locked & loaded CCW pistol on me at the range.
At least you went to the trouble to gather it up and put it in the trash can for him. It makes it easier to get it that way. I love digging out boxes of shiny brass from the trash. Best is the revolver folks that put the empties carefully back in the trays and in the boxes and drop it in the trash. Found 200 .38spl+p's that way last week.
When I shoot, when I am done, I gather up my brass.
I like to wait for cease fires so I am not distracting anyone.
If you have brass on the ground I will ask before I pick it up. I every now and then hear someone say back, Save me the starline .45's or something. Usually, what most people say is, thanks, now I don't have to clean it up. Do you want this revolver brass I've been dropping in my bag to throw out?
What can I say but THANKS!
So you are complaining because some guy was willing to spend time cleaning up what you weren't going to save anyway. And then, you basically said if he had his hand in his pocket you would have shot him.
Very high road.
And people wonder why I always have a locked & loaded CCW pistol on me at the range.
At least you went to the trouble to gather it up and put it in the trash can for him. It makes it easier to get it that way. I love digging out boxes of shiny brass from the trash. Best is the revolver folks that put the empties carefully back in the trays and in the boxes and drop it in the trash. Found 200 .38spl+p's that way last week.
Powderman
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Folks, for all of you that say that Mad Magyar was paranoid, please remember this:
Platt and Matix--the bad guys in the infamous FBI shootout in Florida--amassed their arsenal by finding people who were shooting out in the wilds, killing them, and taking their guns and ammunition.
I go with a friend out to some varied public areas, and we shoot long range rifle. We don't shoot at the same time. One of us is always (a) spotting for the other, and (b) keeping an eye out. We try to put up enough targets to keep from going back and forth, but if targets have to be serviced, one stays at the firing line. The other heads out, and both of us have loaded rifles slung.
Why? The main reason is that on a typical range session, we will both have about 2 to 400 rounds of ammo, and at least 7-10K worth of guns, laying out in the open. It can be tempting to some folks.
Platt and Matix--the bad guys in the infamous FBI shootout in Florida--amassed their arsenal by finding people who were shooting out in the wilds, killing them, and taking their guns and ammunition.
I go with a friend out to some varied public areas, and we shoot long range rifle. We don't shoot at the same time. One of us is always (a) spotting for the other, and (b) keeping an eye out. We try to put up enough targets to keep from going back and forth, but if targets have to be serviced, one stays at the firing line. The other heads out, and both of us have loaded rifles slung.
Why? The main reason is that on a typical range session, we will both have about 2 to 400 rounds of ammo, and at least 7-10K worth of guns, laying out in the open. It can be tempting to some folks.
frank23185
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seek help for your antisocial tendencies...
The Bushmaster
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Do not return to a public range until you overcome your paranoid delusions and anti-social behavior...Before you shoot some inocent "Brass Rat"...
pinstripe
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Man. you ain't right. All he wanted was what you were throwing away. People like you..... I'll just stop right there and let you finish the rest.
there hasnt been any kind of attacks in my town so i have no need to carry right? or keep my guard down?
thats definatly contrary to "situational awareness" and preparing for the worse THR seems to preach
so being cautios of some one who may be making an attempt to grab your gun, regardles of what they claim they are doing is being paranoid?
so next time im home and some one knocks on the door at night saying how thier car broke down and they need to use my phone i should just let them into my house, drop my gaurd cause hey, they SAID they only needed to use the phone.
as for throwing away the brass. some people operate on principle. to me that principle is, you leave me alone whil i shoot. and you can get what ever brass you want. you interupt my shooting. you get nothing!
luckily we dont have brass rats at my range that i know of. matter of fact, we dont even have gravel..your just walking on a bed of old brass
Mad Magyar
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Let's see, I know of one assault at a public firing range in our area within the past 6 months. More home-invasions then I can count....I bet some of you when you have a knock at your door in the evening; simply open the door and say "How can I help you?"
Some of you are extremely naive about who & what is out there! There are some nasty people, more disturbed then you think I am...
Actually, I am the nicest guy you would ever want to meet....However, if I want conversation with a stranger, I prefer a church and not out at a range. Why did I mention the SUV? This guy was far younger than I with his hair back in some Miami Vice ponytail dressed fairly nice...Not typical of the scroungers I've seen in the past....Stay in WHITE all you want; I'm in a constant state of readiness which isn't any more stressful than being oblivious to my surroundings. My mistake was not telling him "to beat it", in a nice way....
Hoppy590, I just finished and noticed you were on the same wave-lenghth..
If the guy was going down range and putting you at risk of shooting him or interfering with your shooting in some other way you'd have every reason to be upset over it. Just scrounging brass out of the line of fire? Nawww. I don't think anger is the appropriate response to what you've described the guy doing. Annoyance, sure. But the level of anger you're expressing sure seems like an awful lot.
Just tell the guy you come to the range for some time to yourself and would appreciate it if he'd give you the space you came for. I've had other shooters wander up and watch over my shoulder. If they're just there standing there for more than a few moments it can be distracting, but usually they walk off to do their shooting.
Just tell the guy you come to the range for some time to yourself and would appreciate it if he'd give you the space you came for. I've had other shooters wander up and watch over my shoulder. If they're just there standing there for more than a few moments it can be distracting, but usually they walk off to do their shooting.
Is a bit out of place also. Being angry with the guy isn't a reason for the "I'd have blown him away if he made the wrong move" bluster.
The Bushmaster
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Being alert and aware of your surroundings and being paranoid and anti-social are two different things. Ya need to calm down and enjoy this world...It's the only one you'll have...
I used to take my "old" Colt SAA to the public range until I literally had to stand guard on it because people just couldn't keep their hands off it (old west romantics). But I never got balligerent and anti social about it...Solved the problem. I only use it on my private range at home...
Now...You need to solve the problem...Ease up...Will save you the cost of medication down the road...
By The Way...I carry concealed and that DOES tend to make you a kinder and gentler (polite) person...
I used to take my "old" Colt SAA to the public range until I literally had to stand guard on it because people just couldn't keep their hands off it (old west romantics). But I never got balligerent and anti social about it...Solved the problem. I only use it on my private range at home...
Now...You need to solve the problem...Ease up...Will save you the cost of medication down the road...
By The Way...I carry concealed and that DOES tend to make you a kinder and gentler (polite) person...
PointOneSeven
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Brass vultures = .
Bad manners!
. Bad manners!
WSM MAGNUM
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Imagine where you would be if you shot him just because if he did put his hands in his pocket. A prosecutor would have a field day with you over the fact that some guy just wanted some brass and he was suspicious to you. its not that he wanted brass. its that hes lurking around a gun range and approaching you while your firing. that stinks of gun grab to me. and it doesnt take much for him to pull out a knife or a pocket pistol and take your gun.
if he had shown up with a range bag, and something to shoot i wouldnt give him a second thought. but hes out of place on a range, lurking about. much like police look for the childless 40 year old guy at a school park, or the person wearing a winter jacket in the heat of the summer.
maybe the 40 year old was there to meet single moms. maybe the person wearing the jacket is making a fashion statement. but when things are out of place, they warrent a second look.
i dont think id be so jumpy as to say i woulda shot him if he reached in his pocket, but i definatly wouldnt have turned my back on him.
also its just rude to watch over some ones shoulder
Some of you guys aren't reading the other posts before you reply.
Remember Platt and Matix and the 1986 shootout in Miami before you judge someone harshly for being alarmed in a situation like this.
Trying to sneak up on me anywhere is potentially a bad idea.
Trying to sneak up on me in a secluded area (like a range or an area where people shoot in the wilderness) would get my attention too. I do usually carry at the range and if I don't I am either with someone who is or I take my weapon with me when I go to change targets, or both. I am also never unarmed at the range and I always save a minimum of a mag for the way home "just in case".
Better safe than sorry.
I agree that the guy was just being an idiot, but still...
And BTW - it is rude to just grab someone else's brass without asking if they want it first or just waiting until they leave and it is also rude to just invade their space. It would be one thing if they guy was another shooter at the range who came over to talk guns but he was obviously not doing that.
Remember Platt and Matix and the 1986 shootout in Miami before you judge someone harshly for being alarmed in a situation like this.
Trying to sneak up on me anywhere is potentially a bad idea.
Trying to sneak up on me in a secluded area (like a range or an area where people shoot in the wilderness) would get my attention too. I do usually carry at the range and if I don't I am either with someone who is or I take my weapon with me when I go to change targets, or both. I am also never unarmed at the range and I always save a minimum of a mag for the way home "just in case".
Better safe than sorry.
I agree that the guy was just being an idiot, but still...
And BTW - it is rude to just grab someone else's brass without asking if they want it first or just waiting until they leave and it is also rude to just invade their space. It would be one thing if they guy was another shooter at the range who came over to talk guns but he was obviously not doing that.
evan price
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So let's see: To make it worse, now the guy is driving a nice vehicle, younger than you, and dressed better than the average shooter. SO that automatically makes him somehow a bad dude out to grab your gun and murder you, or maybe take your brass w/out permission.
Condition white, not hardly, but if one tries to walk around in ORANGE one's whole life one'll pop an artery.
I am well aware of Platt & Mattix and how they got their guns and cars.
There are degrees of paranoia we all live with and accept.
The guy wanted your brass.
You didn't want your brass.
It is interesting to note that many rats, when finished eating, will defecate on the remaining unwanted food to prevent another rat from having it.
Condition white, not hardly, but if one tries to walk around in ORANGE one's whole life one'll pop an artery.
I am well aware of Platt & Mattix and how they got their guns and cars.
There are degrees of paranoia we all live with and accept.
The guy wanted your brass.
You didn't want your brass.
It is interesting to note that many rats, when finished eating, will defecate on the remaining unwanted food to prevent another rat from having it.
I guess I gotta weigh in here.
The deal with the brass is irrelevant imho, it was probably a waste of your time to try to make getting it for the guy more difficult after the fact, but that's not what I wanted to talk about.
When I'm out in the boons, doing what I'm doing, it's one thing if another person approaches you directly and begins a conversation with a clear purpose. Someone just lurking about without initiating any sort of contact, is in a word, creepy.
Creepy things move me up a notch, I don't know that I would have been getting ready to shoot the guy, but I would be making a plan to do it in the back of my mind. Fact is, none of us were there, sometimes you just get a gut feeling that somethings not right about someone, and it's usually best to pay attention to that.
Regardless of the "if" statements involved, the OP didn't draw on the guy or otherwise menace him, I don't see any reason to hang em high, as it were.
The deal with the brass is irrelevant imho, it was probably a waste of your time to try to make getting it for the guy more difficult after the fact, but that's not what I wanted to talk about.
When I'm out in the boons, doing what I'm doing, it's one thing if another person approaches you directly and begins a conversation with a clear purpose. Someone just lurking about without initiating any sort of contact, is in a word, creepy.
Creepy things move me up a notch, I don't know that I would have been getting ready to shoot the guy, but I would be making a plan to do it in the back of my mind. Fact is, none of us were there, sometimes you just get a gut feeling that somethings not right about someone, and it's usually best to pay attention to that.
Regardless of the "if" statements involved, the OP didn't draw on the guy or otherwise menace him, I don't see any reason to hang em high, as it were.
The Bushmaster
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Nothing wrong with outdoors public ranges...99.9% of the people are there to have a good time and do...You always have one that seems to think he is "god"...Or just plain stupid...
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