"breaking news -- terror alert inceased to HIGH"

[Tamara]

one-shot-one,

Nuke plant?

Who cares about that?

It's the Bomb Factory that's the big target hereabouts...

(...and no, I'm no more worried than normal. )

 

[sm]

Tamara's right

I'm not worried about the Nuke plant as much as the Arsenal. See the Arsenal has not destroyed all those nasty nerve, chemicals--yet--see the gummit (again) 'gonna figure this all out.

Just had a bad thought what we could with the Arsenal stockpiles...wouldn't have to wait for the incinerator to be built...me bad.

 

[4thHorseman]

Interesting site

You can cut and paste this if you wish, if it doesn't hyper link.


http://www.governmentguide.com/heal...t.adp?55137219,31997251,http://www.ready.gov/

 

[Stevie-Ray]

So little time, so many guns to load:banghead:

 

[hso]

Nuke plant, what nuke plant?

Considering the guard forces at the 3 DOE facilities in O.R. constitute a small well armed army I don't think that there's any vulnerability to terrorist attacks there.

BTW - hso stands for Health and Safety Officer which is the title for the person responsible for worker, public and environmental safety on a contaminated (rad/chem) waste site. I, or my folks, are the first in and last out of places that are being investigated/cleaned up for radiological, chemical, or biological contamination.

 

[Tamara]

hso,

Considering the guard forces at the 3 DOE facilities in O.R. constitute a small well armed army I don't think that there's any vulnerability to terrorist attacks there.

...and if they can't take care of Timmy Tango, then Bucky The Five-Legged Whitetail sure will!

 

[buzz_knox]

Since our DOE and TVA facilities are fairly well protected, any terrorists in the area would be likely to go for more vulnearable targets (i.e. public gathering places like restaurants or malls, sporting events, the bridges on I-40 and I-75). Remember, the targets of terrorism historically are the population itself, to create a shock effect.

 

[hso]

Buzz got it right, threat assessment/vulnerability assessment go hand in hand. If you live in a well-to-do neighborhood with lots of goodies that are easily portable you would have a higher threat of burglery. If on the other hand you are not very vulnerable, gated community, private patrol, noisy attentive dogs, limited escape routes, obvious alarm systems, the bad guy will go somewhere less valuable but much easier to hit. Reduced vulnerability results in reduced threat.

Military bases, commercial reactors, government sites where lots of dangerous materials are used/stored are hard targets with very low percentages for a terrorists. Little chance they would waste their limited resources on places where they would be killed without even getting close to anything valuable.

Look to high profile public places that have little if any strategic value from a military sense that would make good "symbolic" targets. The idea is to make the public fearfull of going about their daily business. That's why the call them terrorists.

one-shot-one, I live in SW Kville and work in OR to the NW of me. The prevailing winds are easterly so for the most part anything airborne should slide past to the north. Of course, if the wind shifts a little to the south it could put me on the edge of a plume. Considering the distance and dilution factor I'm not worried.

 

[Joe Demko]

You stand a greater chance of dying from heart disease than from terrorist action. Do you obsess this way over diet and exercise? I know, I know, dying from lard-clogged arteries lacks the drama of dying in a desperate shoot-out where you are protecting mom, apple pie, and chevrolet from the evil tangoes. If we are really concerned with self-preservation, and not adolescent day dreams, you are in more danger from saturated fat than you are from terrorists. Prepare accordingly. CCW is common sense. Running around with a battlefield-style arsenal is day dreaming.

 

[hso]

But Armchair Airborne, Remote Control Recondo, and Concrete Commandos need something to hold them down to earth while they are fast forwarding through the dialogue to get to the action scenes in their favorite bit of carnography.

 

[buzz_knox]

You stand a greater chance of dying from heart disease than from terrorist action.

More than 3,000 people thought the same thing one beautiful morning in September, 2001.

 

[Joe Demko]

Yeah? What should they have done to prepare, other than perhaps developing the gift of prophecy? Please do explain how bottled water and AR-15's in their cars would have helped any of them.

 

[buzz_knox]

Your comment was directed towards the chances of dying in a terrorist event. I just wished to provide an example of how that is not necessarily so comforting.

As for bottled water and AR-15s, it might be an overreaction, it might not. If the planned protests and "direct action events" turn into riots as we can expect, having that degree of preparation (and firepower) might not be such a bad idea.

 

[hso]

Whoa guys, you both have a point here. Even if you are at sites that have high threat levels you have no way to know when, if ever, you will have to suffer through the aftermath of any emergency, terrorist attack or not. The folks that didn't get out didn't get the chance, but the thousands of folks in the WTC that responded immediatly to the first impact and put their company's emergency evac plan into effect, or took the initiative and evacuated on their own, joined the 10s of thousands of folks that did not die in the attacks on the WTC but were displaced when the towers collapsed. Then there were the hundreds of thousands of folks who had frightened family. These are the folks that would have benefited from having family emergency plans.

My company had folks working at JFK airport and one of my guys was on the cell phone to me watching it while the WTC attack occured. We immediately decided to evacuate from the airport and tried to get our folks back to their homes, and families, before the roads became clogged and the tunnels, bridges, and ferrys got shut down. Very shortly all local cell and land line communication was clogged and the only way that my coworkers could get word to their families was for us to relay messages that they were safe via long distance (odd how we could get through after a few tries using long distance, but they couldn't make local calls effectively). They used the bottled water they had taken with them over the hours as they inched through traffic.

As to weapons, other than what you carry on a day to day basis for personal defence, you should have nothing to worry about.

 

[OF]

I'm of the opinion that if everyone in this country had an AR and bottled water in their car the world would be a better place. So lets not knock and/or belittle people who make a different choice than you do. Especially a choice that has absolutely no bearing on you whatsoever.

- Gabe

 

[Will Fennell]

Counterpoint...what will an AR15 in the car HURT?

Golgo,
Of course you are right, bottled water and personal long arms stored in vehicles wouldn't have helped the victims of 9/11 a bit. Sad but true...

But I'm heading to the Atlanta metro area this weekend, and the country is at condition whatever it is.....a state of alert for terrorist acts.....it certainly won't HURT anything for me to take along a basic BOB and soft case with an AR and a couple of loaded mags.

If it makes you feel better, I'll have a grilled chicken sandwhich instead of a big mac while I'm in the car with my AR

 

[buzz_knox]

Mmmm. Chicken.

 

[hso]

Will,

With that nifty OU whatca need with a nasty old black gun? Also, you might want to stop at Subway instead of MacHeartAttack or Woundys Wait, I should be staying away from those places as well.:banghead:

Folks, if you want to throw a little extra ordnance into the car to cover all of the contengencis, fine. Just don't do it in place of more mundane, but potentially more useful gear.

 

[Strings]

what I'm finding humourous...

... is that everyone is focused on "Islamic terrorists"...

After a couple of actions happen here at home, every fringe group with an agenda and an attitude, from ELF and ALF to the truely radical Right-to-Lifers, is gonna be out there thinking of things to blow up. Honestly, if every group that might strike were to, they'd run out of major targets rather quickly, and start hitting mom'n'pop stores...

I've also heard several people saying "it can't happen around here". Think for a sec... what would cause more anger and distrust in government that random shootings nationwide, while the majority of the govs money and effort is put into protecting "major targets"?

 

[buzz_knox]

One benefit of living near the family range is that I don't have to worry about a lot of this stuff. One call back home and mommy will come save me!

 

[dhoomonyou]

Al Bundy

Like Al Bundy used to say:

"Let's Rock"

 

[bogie]

FWIW, I eat a lot of steaks, omelets, etc., and I've lost weight, my cholesterol has gone down (and the good went up), and I'm off BP meds, etc... The "subway diet" will make a lot of people fat, and it's hard to eat that way for a lengthy duration. Get in shape however you can.

Now for the rant...

Remember - the terrorists have historically been LOW TECH. I don't think we'll see nukes - even "dirty nukes." Remember - when they needed cruise missiles, they didn't design and manufacture 'em. They stole jets and improvised 'em.

I don't think that essentially hardened facilities have much to worry about. I do, however, worry about cells doing things on a "small" scale... What would the country as a whole do if someone drove a propane tanker into a mall at 5:30 p.m., and popped it? Doesn't matter if it's in New York or Nebraska - People will basically stop shopping... Small acts can have big consequences.

 

[bogie]

Oh yeah - If things get gnarsty, and there's things like roadblocks, etc., I suspect that the folks with ARs, etc., in the trunks are going to have problems.

 

[hso]

http://www.ready.gov/ has a lot of focused information.

 

[faustulus]

More than 3,000 people thought the same thing one beautiful morning in September, 2001.

buzz_knox
Put it into perspective 3,000 people died in all of 2001 from terrorist attacks in America. That is 8.2 per day.

710,768 died of heart disease in 2000 (the last year the CDC has data), that is 1947.3 per day.

Not to say that Sept. 11 wasn't horrible, just that the likelihood of falling vicitm to a terrorist attack is not high on the list of things to worry about.