Brenneke black magic slugs

[CraigC]

LGS has Remington 'Woodmaster' .35 Whelen self-loading rifle with 18.5" barrel. Wouldn't something like that be better choice for fella from Alaska or NWT? Just saying there are affordable alternatives out there.

Absolutely. Noted bear guide and writer Phil Shoemaker has said he'd rather have a .30-06 than ANY shotgun with slugs.

Again, ADFG uses Rem 870's. Maybe range is a issue as in they don't want to be shooting rifles in a congested area.
Cost? Baloney. They think nothing of trapping a sow and "cute" cubs that are making problems in Anchorage and flying them via helicopter ($800/hr) 100 miles away. Then the cuddly bear family finds a new dumpster (they have a incredible knack for finding them many miles away) so ADFG shoots them anyway. With slugs.

You really think that a 12ga is better than a .375 or .416 rifle? Horse hockey. The heavy rifle is a specialized tool while the shotgun serves myriad purposes. Remington 870's are dirt cheap and commonly issued to police all over the US. The slug is a cheap option that works "good enough".

Again, did you miss the part where I said that they penetrate a little more than half as deep as a good revolver bullet???

 

[suemarkp]

It makes a much larger hole (72 caliber). Do you think that 36" of penetration in not enough? If you think you need more than that, then yes, take your 375 or 416 and load it with solids.

 

[Gordon]

in the early 90s I have a friend who owns a 9000 acre cattle ranch loaded with elk and large pigs. We were younger then and tried to kill as many pigs off as we could to keep them out of the strawberry lettuce fields he rented out on the bottom land . I used lots of different rifles including 8mm Hakim with a Comblock Night scope with heavy ball, .358 Norma Mag, .375 H&H and 45-70 to shoot lots of pigs, and a few sick cattle which were killed and back hoed under . From the Jeep I also used an 1100 Remington with slug barrel from the raised rear shoot seat . I shot various slug loads but settled on the Rottweil Original Brennekes pretty quick when seeing the terminal damage done. It was much bigger and deeper than 300 grain HP 45-70 , larger bleeding hole than 270 grain .375H&H but not as deep with lengthwise shots. The damage was awesome for the !&1 /4 .oz felt wadded Brenneke, so much so I switched to much milder "managed recoil" Remington 1 .oz slugs for human defensive use ! I have hunted Alaska long ago several times and took a .375 H&H as a "heavy" which I had complete confidence in, but never got a brownie , I think in those alders tho a Brenneke slug would really do the job tho and heard first hand it indeed does .

 

[RMc]

For those using a field gun in this role, Dixie TriBall - three .60" 315 grain hard cast @ 1100fps - shoots to the same pattern center as heavy shot loads.

Type Dixie TriBall into your search engine.

 

[lemaymiami]

My only brother has lived and hunted in Alaska for almost forty years now. He lives a full bore subsistence lifestyle, killing caribou, moose, and other game each year. His go to, in areas where bears have learned to associate a weapons discharge with a feeding opportunity, is a 375 H&H.... I can understand, though, why the state prefers a 12ga. since they don't want their officers shooting at anything that isn't fairly close by (remember bear kills are supposed to be mostly defensive for LE personnel... not for sporting purposes at all....). Add to that the ability for very quick follow up shots and I think for close quarters work I'd prefer a shotgun as well.... As noted - not the "best" weapon but pretty darned good, and very reliable with just a small amount of training...

I know in my own training as a cop that I was able to put a rifled slug into a 10" paper plate pretty regularly offhand with only a standard riot gun with a simple bead sight at 50 meters. Add proper rifle sights on a smoothbore shotgun and you shouldn't have much difficulty hitting where you want to at ranges under 50 meters...