Buckshot or slugs for HD

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futureranger

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i was wondering if 00 buckshot would be better than a slug for home defence, i personaly have no clue about an actual home deffence sittuation so any imput would be great. buckshot spreads but might hit something i dont want it to but if i have to shoot by pointing or off the hip (in a fdo or die situation) i think 00 would be better, yes? no?
 
No slugs, shot doesn't spread that much in a home.

Unless we are talking about a mansion.
Well at 100yards the shot might hit stuff you didn't want it too.
 
If you're concerned about a spreading shot pattern, get some Federal Premium 9-pellet 00 with Flite Control wad. I get 4-6'' spreads at 15 yards from my Cyl-bore, 18.5'' Benelli Nova with the reduced recoil flavor of said load.
 
buckshot with slugs available for a quick combat load.

There are possibilities (while remote) that one must think of when defending the home.

SO or child held hostage by BG? Do you really want buckshot in this situation?

Shooting a vehicle to disable it as BG is escaping with wife or child as hostage? Slugs do this better.

Returning fire at BG shooting at you/your home from a distance? Slugs do better than shot, rifle works even better.

Again, remote possibilities, but I keeps slugs handy and I know what they'll do at 25/50/100 from each of my shotguns.

My primary 870 wears an IC riflesighted barrel for this very reason. 00 buck in the tube and slugs in the sidesaddle.
 
My BIL was a police officer for many years. The officers had to carry alternating rounds of 00 buckshot and slugs. To this day, that is how I too load my own 12 gauge.
 
I keep it loaded with buckshot and have a few slugs on the gun in a butt cuff. I will selectively load a slug if its needed. I keep my magazine tube loaded one shy in case I need to load a slug first up.
 
Try the "Search" function as this topic gets asked and beat to death weekly it seems.
 
Try the "Search" function as this topic gets asked and beat to death weekly it seems.

Pro tip: The search feature is about 10% effective. I honestly can never find what I'm looking for, I could search for titles with "magazine" in them and find no results.
 
Uh oh, inb4 the storm.

Most people here will agree that birdshot is dangerous for YOU. The 2-4" of penetration birdshot provides isn't enough to penetrate organs. Just enough to penetrate drywall if you miss your intended target.
 
I wouldn't say birdshot is "dangerous". There is nothing wrong with having a birdshot, followed by 00. Birdshot no doubt will slow someone down, and it's easier to aim at slower target IMHO.
 
Nobody here has your specific shotgun, knows the layout of your specific home, has any idea of how it's furnished, or how the people in it lead their lives. Every home is built differently and every shotgun--even those of the same model--prefers different ammunition.

So there's no shortcut. If you want to know what your shotgun will do with buckshot you'll need to pattern it at various distances with a variety of ammunition. You'll also need to determine the longest distance you might have to shoot in your home--not mine or anyone else's--and use those patterning tests to decide what's right for your own situation. You need to get your facts and think your way through to using them.

I urge you to take a good "tactical shotgun" course from as good an instructor as you can find. The Internet isn't a substitute for expert instruction. I'd recommend a course from Louis Awerbuck, but there are some others in his league.
 
I think that we need to "sticky" this subject so it doesn't get re-posted every few days.
 
Bird Shot is for BIRDS.

Honestly if so worried about Slugs or OO Buck going through a wall you need to re-assess wether or not you should take the shot.

Hopefully your not going to be playing the A Team where everybody shooting and missing. In a life or death situation you better damn well hit the BG.

Loading up with bird shot just because you MIGHT miss is no justification IMO to undercut one of the most effective weapons you can have in a gun fight.
Will
 
If I am limiting myself to a single projectile like a rifled slug, I'll grab a carbine instead. The shotgun's main advantage is it puts many projectiles on a single target at once. When using a slug, its just big short-range rifle with less accuracy. compared to a Tacticool Carbine.

Of course, YMMV.
 
i personaly have no clue about an actual home deffence sittuation so any imput would be great
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futureranger,

I'd humbly suggest that your very first task should be to get not just "a clue," but as complete an education about actual home defense situations as you can manage. That by its very nature includes a reasonably good understanding of your local laws and prosecutorial attitudes regarding home defense.

I'm one of those old pharts who thinks that software (your mental awareness, training, education, knowledge, skills and practiced abilities) are FAR more important than hardware (what load you choose, or for that matter even what firearm you choose for home defense). That said, let's explore how you can best go about learning some of the things you need to know.

I'm a big fan of live training at the hands of a good instructor, as I think that's the best way for a person to shorten their learning curve in absorbing a new set of skills without picking up some bad habits along the way. With that in mind I would suggest you try to locate an NRA certified instructor near you who's teaching classes in shotgun and PPITH (Personal Protection In The Home). Take a look at http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/basictraining.asp and search there to see if there is an instructor near you.

Failing that, the NRA has released its PPITH course of instruction on DVD. You can order a copy from the Program Materials Center at http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES 26840 . I don't think videos are a complete substitute for taking a class 'live,' but sometimes it might be the only option readily available.

I'd also suggest you consider watching Louis Awerbuck's videos The Combat Shotgun and Safe At Home as well. Links to those are included below:
http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1367
http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1500

If you do manage to get a live class, your instructor should inform you regarding local laws on self defense and the attitudes of your local law enforcement officers and the local District Attorney or prosecutor toward self defense by citizens. If you cannot get a class, you will need to educate yourself on those issues. You'll want to talk to your DA or a representative from that office, a practicing criminal defense attorney, and/or a local law enforcement officer or two. What you want to learn is "what the law says about home defense" in your locality- you don't want to pitch your questions as 'what can I get away with.' You may be talking with these same people in the aftermath of a defensive shooting, and you want to be remembered as 'a good guy' and not some sort of wannabe headhunter.

I sincerely hope you'll seek out some good solid face-to-face training, or failing that, some 'distance education' via video, before you ever have to confront any sort of defensive situation in your home. You need to have the confidence that knowing you're doing the right thing under trying circumstances gives you, in order to more easily face those circumstances- and the aftermath.

As to the question you actually asked, the answer in our house is "both." Shotguns are the go-to defensive firearms here. Magazines are loaded one round short with full power 00 buckshot, and Sidesaddles mounted on the gun are loaded with Brenneke KO slugs. That gives us the option of loading a slug first if necessary under the circumstances. Note that performing "select slug" drills under pressure requires training and practice.

Stay Safe,

lpl/nc
 
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