BUDK Knives and Swords

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Well while we're throwing Bud K Knives under the bus "which happens to be a successful business BTW" let's throw Smokey Mountain Knife Works under as well, I'd venture to say the greater amount of their sales are so called cheap imported knives.

After all they were one of my suppliers for the flea market.
 
SMKW carries cheap knife trinkets as well, but they also carry good to better to excellent quality knives. The two are nowhere near the same level of overall quality.

How well I know that, and as I stated in my post.
I'd venture to say the greater amount of their sales are so called cheap imported knives.

Not money wise but knife for knife sales.

Like I said the were one of my suppliers. And yes I did sell 50 to 100 dollar knives at the market, but WAY, WAY more 5 and 10 dollar knives. Never had a customer come back and yes my wife had the same booth for 20 years in the same spot and we had many, many return customers. We shipped pop corn all over the USA, sold 4 tons of corn in one season there.
 
I'll stick with A G Russell. They have everything from major expensive finest quality hand-made knives to medium priced practical knives. Not much junk there and most anybody can manage to afford one of their mid-range hunters, camp, or SD knives.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a company that sells nazi repros caters to a certain type of customer base, and I am not part of that base.

I would not buy anything from a place like that.
 
Lets not get too hung up on the Nazi repros. Collecting Wehrmacht knives and swords is a legitimate area of interest like collecting any conflict cutlery. Buying repros doesn't make you a skinhead any more than buying a K98 or Luger does (or a copy of a K98 or Luger). Most people buy them because they're cheap alternatives to the real collectables (BTW, be very wary of any and all "WWII Nazi" knives since there are a lot of counterfeits and repros out there) and it rounds out a WWII enthusiast's kit.

I've been collecting knives for over 40 years. I've gotten just about every imaginable knife catalogue for every level of quality (Remember when there used to be a time before the internet where we all eagerly awaited the mail truck showing up with glossy catalogues?). I attended the first Blade Show and continue to attend, was a Knifemaker's Guild member, and am proud to be an American Bladesmith Society Apprentice Bladesmith. I've worked both sides of the "table" at SHOT Show (it is far more fun to attend than work). I even had a small specialty cutlery distributorship for a few years (that's a cutthroat business!). I've known most manufacturers and their owners/management well enough to be on a cordial basis with them (and now that I'm a volunteer with Knife Rights wheedling support for the fight to repeal restrictive knife laws in this country know they sometimes duck and hope I don't spot them at industry events;)). I also spent several years working at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory's High Temperature Materials Laboratory and leading an analytical team at a separate DOE lab.

All that's to explain that I've seen a lot of knives and a lot of hype and know a bit about them at a broad range. None of that makes anything I say any more valuable than the next guy here.
 
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There's really two conversations going on here - one, about the quality of the inexpensive knife brands, and we've discussed that price does not mean poor quality. You have to shop things just like ink pens, watches, or flashlights.

The other conversation are those equating price with social standing. They have an agenda and it's based on amplifying their image. They buy prestige, which costs them far more than the utility value of the product they brag on possessing. Being "cheap" doesn't make it junk. Being expensive doesn't make it "best." It's often social marketing that prices them high, not actual materials or execution of fit and finish.

The fact is there are far more cheap knives sold than expensive ones.
 
Inexpensive absolutely does not have to equal poor quality. As I mentioned previously, some inexpensive high carbon steels can take and keep a good edge. Mystery stainless, OTOH, should never be trusted.
 
There's really two conversations going on here - one, about the quality of the inexpensive knife brands, and we've discussed that price does not mean poor quality. You have to shop things just like ink pens, watches, or flashlights.

This is sure the truth. I also collect watches. I own mid range watches, the Rolex models are out of my price range tho. My most expensive watch is a Tag Heur in the $2,000 dollar range.

What do I wear daily? A Chinese self winding Kronen & Sohna "sp" they sell on E-Bay for Approx $20 bucks. It keeps excellent time, need to set it maybe once every other week, not bad for a mechanical watch in this price range. It's been running just fine now for 2 years.

If perchance I bust it for any reason, there's no tears shed. Heck the leather strap was worth $20.00.
 
Years ago I bought 4 or 5 knives from BudK as some of them had cool designs, wood scales, etc. The blades snapped on 3 of them. Two I still have - one is a stiletto style with neat 'custom design imitation abalone' scales and the other is a large folder that is too big for a pocket. Neither will take an edge past a bit sharper than a letter opener.

It was fun to look at their catalogs when I used to get them in the mail, but I don't see myself ever buying anything from them again. Cheap stuff with poor steel.
 
The other conversation are those equating price with social standing. They have an agenda and it's based on amplifying their image. They buy prestige, which costs them far more than the utility value of the product they brag on possessing.
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The only one I see in this thread having that conversation is you.
 
The other conversation are those equating price with social standing. They have an agenda and it's based on amplifying their image. They buy prestige, which costs them far more than the utility value of the product they brag on possessing. Being "cheap" doesn't make it junk. Being expensive doesn't make it "best." It's often social marketing that prices them high, not actual materials or execution of fit and finish.

I too think you are the only one having this conversation. I have seen no one on this thread that overpays to "amplify their image".
 
LOL, I know I sure don't!

Neither do I.

These are my three favorite prestige knives.

Spyderco Military, Para2, Emerson mini CQC 15.

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Not exactly in safe queen condition. And when the guys at work ask to borrow my knife they have no idea what I hand them is or what it costs.

So much for bragging rights.
 
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Budk might be in the same class as Frost? Yes. Mtech, too.

Now that it's mentioned, all three import tens of thousands of knives in hundreds of models in a class of knife which has a lot of other competition, too. Right now the Chinese have it cornered.

Are there outright bargains that will remain hidden from public notice? I'd say yes to that, too. But you have to be very specific about exactly what you are looking for. Spyderco made the Swick in a high grade steel for $70, which is pricey for a neck knife. Mtech? a similar model for $10 on the internet.

Bowie? I wouldn't touch any of the three for one, at any price, and especially in stainless. I will fall apart under use. They make ornamental impulse purchase knives, not working durable ones. Hence the flea market sales as mentioned - it's a quiet form of entertainment with a physical reward and the chance to repeat it again in the near future.

I bought a copy of a switchblade that was originally a Canadian tactical knifemakers upper tier product. It lasted less than 100 flips and broke. I got my $20 worth.

Base your buying decision on the facts, such as the mystery steel, which materials, and how it's put together. Expect to be deceived and you won't get your feelings hurt. I have a US made Colonial "Buck" copy, it turns out the boltsters weren't brass, just plated pot metal. Nonetheless it's still a decent beater knife which is what I do with it.

Buy enough of them, you get an education in value engineering and construction - which then translates into an understanding of what features a knife shouldn't have, and why some American made stuff is equally junk for 4x the price. Like, a collaboration knife from a major maker and tactical knife designer with FRN scales, rivets holding it together, a thin liner, 420HC blade, with a third "tactical expert's" enhancements that make it even worse.

You can buy some really highly rated junk made right here in the USA - or so they claim. I have to wonder if this one skirts the content laws by simply being assembled here.

If someone wants to avoid completely throwing their money away, try the Boker Plus line, or some of the S&W models - of which there are thousands.

You get what you pay for.

Stabbed myself in the thigh, right above the knee with an Mtech folder.

The blade was loose so you could flip it without using the thumbstud. I was flipping it one day and it slipped out of my hands and flew 2 inches into my thigh lol. I bled like a stuck pig for hours and had an irritating dull throb for probably 6 months. Anyways, about 1 inch of the tip broke off a week later when I jammed it between 2 pieces of plywood and twisted. It went to the garbage and I haven't bought an Mtech since.

One of the best knives I had was under $20. It was sharp, it retained an edge well and the handle was ergonomic. And for under $20, you can't complain when you finally wear it down. The blade would flex but wouldn't bend. Just a good knife.

That knife was a Dexter Russel scalloped pairing knife. In the past I have used all manner of Dexter Russel bladed impliments and they put out a smokin' product at an absolutley killer price point. I don't think they put out any folders or tactical stuff.
 
More important than price is the value of the item. We've even had threads of "best" $20 and under knife and "best" $50 and under knife. Each of them have provided a nice list of high value/low cost knives in those categories. When talking about Moras or Opinels we turn the conversation of price vs. quality upside down from most conversations on price. Because of that I pack Opis in all my small grab emergency kits just like I pack small EMT shears in the first aid kits and I put Moras in the larger grab kits. That doesn't mean I don't have a Sebenza in my pocket all the time and wouldn't pack a Breed or Ennis if I knew I might need it, but I know if I have to grab something and go there's a reasonable quality knife there instead of something "cheap" that won't hold up.
 
Hell, for all my dislike of the founder and their ad practices, even Cold Steal puts out quality products that can sometimes be found at incredible prices. Kershaw has some incredible buys, and Kabar has many inexpensive, sturdy products.

Yeah, I have a couple of drawers full of knives that range from a garage sale Kabar folder my fiance's father got me for $5(!) up to a forged 52100 fixed blade made especially for me. Cost does not automatically equal value. There is at least one very expensive tactical knife maker who makes ugly knives I do not want.

On the other hand, one of my most expensive blades is a Swamp Rat short sword. If anything happens to it, it will get repaired or replaced free...so ultimately, I guess you could say that Busse knives, expensive as they may be, are "value priced".
 
JFTR (just for the record),

This has been my edc for 6 mo.

Rides on my right side at 3.

Mora Companion & Helle Fossekallen in the pack.

Wid dat fire steel ..
 
You can even get a quality handmade knife like this Anza for the price of a couple of those BudK knives with mystery steel.
 
Be that as it may, it does do the job it was designed to do. And it saved me some cash, just as did the computer you typed your reply with did.

BTW Buck does have some of their models made in China as well, you did know this, did you not?

Just asking, what brand of cell phone do you have, it's rumored Apple pays their Chinese workers $ .17 an hour.
 
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