BUDK Knives and Swords

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Knocking off other people's intellectual property and profiting from it without their benefit (not to mention any market share by doing it) is worlds away from the company having products made overseas. No one should appreciate a thief.
 
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Who's to say it in fact is a copy of a Buck knife other than the fact it has the Buck name on it?

Further, who's to say if in fact Buck offers this pattern that in fact it is a copy and not one manufactured in the factory that does manufacture the Buck pattern?

This in fact is done all the time in industry, at least in the RV Industry.
Patterns are copies all the time.

Just think. a repro Colt Cap & Ball can be made even to the extant of having the same engraving on it, and marked Colt. This even when Colt brought back the Cap & Ball revolvers a few years ago. No problem.

But try to make a repro Rolex watch marked Rolex. LOL
 
BTW, This exact pattern is nowhere in their current on line catalog, at least that I could find a few moments ago. There was a similar one, close, but not exact.

It's not hard to get around copy right laws and rules. Nor is it illegal.
 
Who's to say it in fact is a copy of a Buck knife other than the fact it has the Buck name on it?
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Sorry, didn't mean to say copy, I can substitute stealing trademarked names, selling under a false advertising, stealing money from a good company.

Nor is it illegal.
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You are talking to a group that cares about quality cutlery. It may or may not be legal, it is very unethical and destructive however.
 
Who's to say it in fact is a copy of a Buck knife other than the fact it has the Buck name on it?
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Sorry, didn't mean to say copy, I can substitute stealing trademarked names, selling under a false advertising, stealing money from a good company.

BTW Buck does have some of their models made in China as well, you did know this, did you not?
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Yes, and they are made by Buck, so they have every right to put their name on it.

Nor is it illegal.
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You're talking to a bunch of knife aficionados here, don't expect us to agree, illegal or legal it's still unethical and destructive to the industry. It hurts legit businesses to the tune of millions of dollars. Spyderco's Sal has stated knock offs almost put them out of business.

Just asking, what brand of cell phone do you have, it's rumored Apple pays their Chinese workers $ .17 an hour.
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China can pay what ever they want, you're poisoning the well by changing topics. Apple has a manufacturing base in China, they produce a phone, and they sell it. They don't steal from other companies.

And it saved me some cash
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As this is all that's important to you, I think we are done then.
 
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BTW, the name Buck is not trademarked, Buck Knives, is however, as is their logo's.

So actually there is/was no stealing of trademarked names.
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If I make a car, and call it a 'mercedes', make it look like a Mercedes-Benz...people are expecting it to be a mercedes-benz......not a piece of crap car with no performance and 0 reliability......its cheap and unethical......and you do it k owing full well you are trying g to screw someone over.


So if I take a knife.....call it "buck".....make it look like a buck knife......you know people are expecting it to be a buck knife.....and you are selling your cheap knock off with the sole intent people will think it's a genuine buck knife and buy it........its cheap, unrofessional and unethical
 
Ya, just as the counterfeit Gucci handbags sold at flea markets a few years ago were actually higher quality than the actual Gucci ones. At the time this was published in the papers.

Just the fact an item is made in China, and not a direct copy of any actual makers model, does not make it a so called "piece of crap", regardless of what name is put on it. No more than it makes the ones made by Buck in China "pieces of crap".

BTW I never sold any knock-offs of any kind while selling in the flea market nor anywhere else.
 
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BTW, the name Buck is not trademarked, Buck Knives, is however, as is their logo's.

So actually there is/was no stealing of trademarked names.
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When you want to have a serious grown up conversation let us know.
 
I've stated facts, and this is the best you can reply with?
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The fact is if you truly do believe it's just ok to put "Buck" on a knife, and don't see that's every attempt under the sun for a Chinese mystery factory to collect on Buck Knives image then you're off somewhere else that we won't be able to have a real conversation.

You can split hairs all you want, I won't. It's wrong, period. I don't care if they change the font, or the size print, or the logo, it's still prostituting Buck Knives image.

Frankly, I think it's time the mods closed/locked this thread!
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Why? Where were any rules broken.
 
No rules broken, many threads locked with no rules being broken.

As I've stated companies do similar things all the time, see post #77.

Actually this thread is going nowhere, 2 different view points.
 
The fact is if you truly do believe it's just ok to put "Buck" on a knife, and don't see that's every attempt under the sun for a Chinese mystery factory to collect on Buck Knives image then you're off somewhere else that we won't be able to have a real conversation.
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And for someone to believe/ think they can actually buy a real "Buck" knife for $4.00 with free shipping all the way from China, they have a bigger problem than either of us can help them with. Just as those who buy a "real" Rolex from a street vendor for $30.00 believing/thinking it really is a Rolex. LOL
 
You're talking to a bunch of knife aficionados here, don't expect us to agree, illegal or legal it's still unethical and destructive to the industry. It hurts legit businesses to the tune of millions of dollars. Spyderco's Sal has stated knock offs almost put them out of business.
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This is the bottom line on those Chinese rip-off products.

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't know a good knife if they get cut with one.

But stealing a company's name, and producing a similar product of low quality just isn't right!!

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Again as I've said before. it's done all the time, even by US companies.

There is Hershey's Chocolate, then there is Hershey's Ice Cream, not related at all, even one little bit, and the way it is written, it even look the same.

Just one example, there are many more, yes they make chocolate flavor too.

How many folks thought they were getting a real Colt when buying a repro?

No, the bottom line is the counterfits that are marketed as orginal with the mfg's exact copy, box, instructions, CD's, DVD's, auto parts. There is where the bottom line is at.

Plus I'd venture to say for every knife sold there is a few thousand CD's & DVD's.

Now tell me who's getting hurt!
 
So just because it's done all the time makes it alright?

So does that mean if I steal a car in Detroit that I shouldn't be reprimanded because "it happens all the time"...?
 
Well no it doesn't make it right. But then nothing is really being done about it either, which is not the case with stealing cars.

As far as the candy versus ice cream, it has been going on for years, without any problem.
 
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Well no it doesn't make it right. But then nothing is really being done about it either, which is not the case with stealing cars.

As far as the candy versus ice cream, it has been going on for years, without any problem.
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So you admitted that it's not right. For that I'm proud of you. However now you must admit that you're supporting the continuation of this con industry.

You might think most people are educated on a knife while I believe most of the general public would be fooled into thinking this was a buck knife. Happens alot btw, customer sends in a knife for warranty and they are told it's a fake. Most folks are not like us on a forum talking about blades. We are like .02 percent of who buy. I knew jack squat before the forums. Who knows you may think I still know jack squat![emoji12]


.....edit: I don't know what state you live in but they don't even take fingerprints when my car got broken into
 
Well no it doesn't make it right. But then nothing is really being done about it either, which is not the case with stealing cars.
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the problem is the Chinese Govt. essentially turns a blind eye to counterfeit goods and essentially encourages its practice......so theres really not a lot that can be done, other than stop buying knock-off Chinese products.

look up the Shuanghuan SCEO......its essentially a BMW X5 copy, being "legally" produced in China, because the chinese courts essentiually threw out BMWs lawsuits over its likeness.
 
This discussion here isn't going to change this issue one bit.

Me buying one of these knives isn't going to change this issue one bit.

Me buying one of these knives once a month a month isn't going to change this issue one bit.

If people are so stupid that they think buying a $4.00 shipped free from China is the same as a Buck knife costing $20/30 bucks we are really in trouble in this country, and the cost or country of manufacture of knives will likely not solve it.

I'm happy with my $4 dollar knife, hammer me if you will, you nor anyone else will change my happeness. Am I a part of the problem, maybe, but such a small part it is insignifiacant. And in the grand scheme of things in the world mean nothing.

look up the Shuanghuan SCEO......its essentially a BMW X5 copy, being "legally" produced in China, because the chinese courts essentiually threw out BMWs lawsuits over its likeness.
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Oh heck, Jeep and Hummer had a lawsuit over the shape of their grills, lets not even go down this road.
 
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