Bushmaster ACR/Magpul Masada delayed until Q1 2009

[PercyShelley]

I wonder if how the Masada and the SCAR will compare in accuracy, and reliability?

That's what a whole lot of people want to know.

 

[RX-178]

I'm hoping to get an ACR, /AND/ a civvie SCAR to compare them, both to each other, and to my XCR.

 

[Wanta B]

BUMP!!

Has there been anymore word on a release date for the ACR?

Just incase any Bushmaster folks see this I am ready to buy a 16" folder in Dark Earth...others to follow.

Also I prefer the folder that has more of a "heel" or "foot" profile... like the SOCCOM Telescoping stock.

I would be most interested in Dark Earth versions first.

Regards
Wanta B

 

[gvnwst]

So far, it is still the first quarter of '09, IIRC.

BUSHMASTER: WE ARE WAITING!

 

[Wanta B]

Waiting indeed!!

1) 16" with the SBR's folder in Dark Earth,5.56X45,7.62X39 and .308
2) 18" as shown earlier in this thread only with folding capability in .308(DE)
3) Target/SPR .308, in both Dark Earth and Black.

Lets see,thats 5 rifles so far...well make that 6,I'll take a black 18" .308 too!!

I'm ready when they are...money on standby...

Regards
Wanta B

 

[HorseSoldier]

I would be most interested in Dark Earth versions first.

I might be wrong, but I think the word a while back was that the initial production run is going to only be available in black.

 

[Onmilo]

As I stated in another thread.
I believe The current owners of Bushmaster bought the rights to the ACR to keep it off the market.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on this rifle design to hit the market anytime soon.

 

[Evil Monkey]

The ACR..............I just can't get excited about it. It uses an AR18 style system, which is fine but I'm a fan of low part count.

I'd rather get something like the XCR.

ACR piston set up:
-op rod
-return spring

XCR piston set up
-op rod

ACR internal assembly
-recoil spring assembly
-carrier
-bolt
-firing pin
-cotter pin
-cam pin
-ejector
-ejector spring
-extractor assembly

XCR internal assembly
-recoil spring assembly
-carrier
-bolt
-firing pin
-cotter/ retaining pin
-extractor assembly

Further more, the first step to removing an XCR bolt from the carrier is to.......remove the bolt!

The ACR, I believe it's just like the AR15/18, firing pin retainer, firing pin, can pin, bolt.

The ACR produces a shell casing after firing, due to the plunger ejector.

The XCR produces shrapnel after firing, due to the fixed ejector.

I don't know, I'm spoiled by the AK system. An assault rifle, of all things, should be as simple and reliable as possible. It's a weapon that's likely to be heavily abused, unlike say, a marksman rifle.

 

[Crunker1337]

I think that Bushmaster and Magpul are delaying getting the ACRs to the civilian market and instead focusing on the LE/Military market because they know that, no matter what, they're going to be able to make PLENTY of money off of us civilians. No matter how long they make us wait or how much they delay/change their product, a great many of us are going to buy the ACR. That's my opinion, anyway.

 

[Evil Monkey]

a great many of us are going to buy the ACR.

Not if it's going to cost a crap load of money. *cough*SCAR*cough*

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Delay, you say?

I am shocked; shocked! I tell you...

 

[kcmarine]

I think that Bushmaster and Magpul are delaying getting the ACRs to the civilian market and instead focusing on the LE/Military market because they know that, no matter what, they're going to be able to make PLENTY of money off of us civilians. No matter how long they make us wait or how much they delay/change their product, a great many of us are going to buy the ACR.

Unless a law is passed that eliminates the chance that it ever be sold to us peasants, and in that case, Bushmaster and Magpul will have wasted a bunch of money. Did I mention there is a very real chance such a law would be enacted?

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Don't make me come down there and post pics of my XCR and laugh at you guys waiting on the vaporware SCAR and Masada. Tell me again why we're waiting when the XCR already exists? I keep forgetting.

 

[gvnwst]

We can wish, no? I just like some of the features of the ACR over the XCR....

 

[Coronach]

I believe The current owners of Bushmaster bought the rights to the ACR to keep it off the market.

And as I said on that thread, this is a really stupid move on their part if it is the case. Consider that one of the following would be true, if the ACR were allowed to go to market:

1. The ACR won't make a bit of difference in the AR world, much in the way the XCR currently isn't, even though it is a solid design and, by all accounts, performing well. This would mean that Bushmaster has dropped some serious coin for, literally, no reason whatsoever.

2. The ACR would be the new hotness and seriously set the AR world on its ear. In this instance, Bushmaster has paid some serious coin to remain merely one of a slew of AR manufacturers, instead of being the one and only manufacturer of the New Hawtness.

Either one is a profoundly stupid business move.

The next allegation usually levelled is that they're holding off on production until they see what happens politically. My counter to that is the fact that actually having ACRs ready to ship on Nov 1st would have been a license to print money.

Mike

 

[gyp_c2]

hmmm...

...last I heard, 1st quarter '09...that was in September, nothin's changed that I've heard...1500 was the basic price mentioned at that time.
A bit less than projected SCAR prices...quite a bit...It's a very slick little rifle...I'm in for one when they appear...

 

[Wanta B]

I just looked at the Bushmaster website and the info on the ACR has changed a little bit...it still says 1stQ 2009,but no pics come up now and one of the pages is gone.

Edit;Nevermind...it is still the same.Oh well,for a secound there I thought there might have been at least SOME movement.

 

[Trempel]

Don't make me come down there and post pics of my XCR and laugh at you guys waiting on the vaporware SCAR and Masada. Tell me again why we're waiting when the XCR already exists? I keep forgetting.

About the XCR - where are they? I've never seen one hanging on a store wall and the only ones I see for sale online are used. XCR does look like a nice rifle, but, I'm doubting the ability of Robarms to produce it in any quantity worth noting, meaning that it will not likely become a rifle with enough support/parts availability.

I kind of feel the same way about the Masada/ACR. The design seems nice, but 1)Wntil people can touch it, shoot it, and stick it in their safes, it doesn't exist, and 2)It's not likely to be mass produced if it ever will be.

For now, I'll stick to my ARs and AKs.

 

[Onmilo]

Coronach,
1. Realize who was just elected.
Cluttering up the market with yet another design would complicate and already overloaded logistic system, the manufacturers cannot produce goods, get them on the market and sold fast enough before any impending doom may, or may not, occur.
2. Look what is going on with the Chrysler acquisition.
Cerberus is bleeding investor money from the jugular right now.
Putting investor money in a firearm design that may, ot may not, be legal to purchase on the civilian market in six months or a year from now would be the truely and profoundly stupid move.

 

[Kind of Blued]

Why not just PUT IT OUT as is?

If there's an AWB, you legally CAN'T make a new one for the poor sucker that beta-tested it for you.