Buying guns in Canada

[General Tso]

I live in Ohio, but I was just wondering what you all thought about this. Many people would say that Canada is more liberal than the US. Now I DO NOT want this to be about politics. Why is it that Canadians can buy guns like the TAR-21 and Norinco's and some other interesting guns that we can't? Also I wonder if I could go there and have a Canadian buddy buy what I want, then sell it to me as a private party sale.

 

[nalioth]

Now I DO NOT want this to be about politics.

You might as well call for a thread closure, because that's exactly what it's about.

Also I wonder if I could go there and have a Canadian buddy buy what I want, then sell it to me as a private party sale.

Sure you could. You might even be able to pick the prison you want to stay with him in after the sale.

 

[JTHunter]

As you would be transporting it across international boundries, not just state lines, there would be "import duties & fees", taxes, etc., not to mention a TON of paperwork. Would it be worth it? You tell me!

 

[nalioth]

As you would be transporting it across international boundries, not just state lines, there would be "import duties & fees", taxes, etc., not to mention a TON of paperwork. Would it be worth it? You tell me!

That's after he breaks the Queen's law by possessing a firearm w/o a license, right?

 

[DocCasualty]

Why is it that Canadians can buy guns like the TAR-21 and Norinco's and some other interesting guns that we can't?

Because the US has specific import bans in place that preclude it. Whether or not these bans are right or wrong is irrelevant and has nothing to do with Canada being more or less liberal than the US but specific policies US administrations have chosen to put in place. Face it, we have plenty of messed up gun policies and I'll leave it to smarter people than me to decide if specific trade restrictions help or hinder the fight for truth, justice and the American way.

Also I wonder if I could go there and have a Canadian buddy buy what I want, then sell it to me as a private party sale.

As others have already noted, not legally.

 

[statelineblues]

Well, if it was possible, this would be what I'd be purchasing...

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-AIA/index.shtm

 

[Robert]

Also I wonder if I could go there and have a Canadian buddy buy what I want, then sell it to me as a private party sale.

I'll take prison for 20 years please Alex...

 

[razorback2003]

Contact Good Firearms Importer

You would need to contact ATF and probably Customs to import a firearm that you buy out of the country. There is a proper way to do it. I know people who take firearms out of the country temporarily have to fill out a form to be able to reimport them.

I have a feeling it is a BIG hassle to import any gun other than a hunting type rifle or shotgun that you buy overseas or a large handgun, like a Sig 220, that obviously meets ATF import points.

You would probably need someone who specializes on both sides of the border, a firearms importer and a firearms exporter. They can deal with the customs stuff on both sides.

I live outside Memphis and know people who work in export and import, it is a big business here.

 

[arcticap]

If you wanted to, you could get a PAL and go up to Canada and buy as many Norincos, TAR's, and AIA Enfields that you want. Then, you would have to find somewhere in Canada to store them- because none of them are importable into the US. If they were, they would be available here. THe Norincos are banned by executive order (and some are not 922r compliant), the TARs are not 922r compliant, and importing the AIA would violate our embargo on Vietnamese made weapons.

 

[Texas Moon]

I'm curious.
How does a person in Canada sell a rifle or shotgun to another person?
Can a person purchase a firearm and give it to someone else(for example: Can Father give his son a hunting rifle for x-mas)?

 

[thunder173]

Well,..that would be interesting at least. Looked at their site. They do have some nice toys,..unfortunately,..we'll never see them down here.

 

[kingpin008]

Texas - You might want to start another thread in the Legal forum. Asking here isn't really the right place.

 

[pricedo]

I'm curious.
How does a person in Canada sell a rifle or shotgun to another person?
Can a person purchase a firearm and give it to someone else(for example: Can Father give his son a hunting rifle for x-mas)?

All firearms are registered with the RCMP in Canada......even long guns.

To be in legal possession of a gun you need to have a Firearms Possession License AND a registration certificate for the firearm.

You have to have a Possession Acquisition License (PAL) to have a firearm transferred into (registered) in your name from either a dealer or another licensed individual.

Persons who are under 18 cannot own guns but they can borrow them under the authority of a Minor's Permit issued by the Chief Firearms Officer of the Province they live in.

Americans who qualify can obtain a Canadian Firearms Possession Acquisition License & many do.

Selling or buying firearms in Canada is handled through the Canadian Firearms Center (CFC) over the telephone (1-800-731-4000) which is part of the RCMP & is essentially transferring the registration from one licensed owner to another licensed owner very much like an automobile sale.

I have held a valid Canadian PAL for years.

CAUTION: If you get caught smuggling contraband firearms from the USA to Canada or visa versa your probation officer after you get out of jail probably hasn't been born yet.

 

[rogertc1]

Every gun you can buy in Canada you can find in the USA, They don't have that neat of guns. Check gunbroaker as they are out there.
I have a AIA. You Know they are in the $700. range don't ya? Not cheap.
Here is mine on top...

 

[kingpin008]

Every gun you can buy in canada you can find in the USA.

Wrong. There are many, many guns available in Canada that we can't get here. Some very interesting ones, too.

 

[Jim Watson]

They can still get new Communist Chinese Norincos in Canada, as we cannot in the US.

 

[razorback2003]

I don't think Canadians, for the most part, can buy new handguns with barrels shorter than 4 and a quarter inches. They also, for the most part, can't buy 25 or 32 caliber handguns.

Forget your snub nosed revolver and forget even a four inch barreled revolver or autopistol. They all seem to be illegal up there except for people who are 'grandfathered'.

I think I'll take any day what I can buy over what they can buy, due to our import restrictions.

I have heard they can buy short barreled shotguns like Remington 870 P's with 14 inch barrels, but I can too if I pay 200 bucks for a transfer tax. I can also cruise in some states loaded with it in a truck. I doubt you can do that in Canada!

 

[JTHunter]

Kingpin said:

Wrong. There are many, many guns available in Canada that we can't get here. Some very interesting ones, too.

Such as??

And Jim Watson said:

They can still get new Communist Chinese Norincos in Canada, as we cannot in the US.

When did that happen? I have a Norinco "National Match" (milled rather than stamped receiver) AK with a thumbhole stock and "muzzlebrake" that I got before Clinton's ban went into effect. Also, several hi-cap mags (4-40 & 2-75 rounds).

 

[jcwit]

A National Match Norinco AK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They may call it anything they wish but National Match it ain't.

 

[jcwit]

When did that happen?

Clinton Adm. banned Military gun imports in 1994.

Bush adm. banned all Norinco imports in 2003.

 

[ripdog]

bbls shorter than 4"on hanguns,full autos batangus knives and a few other odds and ends are (prohibited ) available only to grandfathered pre ban collectors.A lot of semi auto assault type rifles(m16,ak,hk l1) and all hand guns are restricted weapons,which are heavily restricted as to usage On supervised ranges only and various disiplines of competition.No rhyme or reason to what is restricted and what isnt.

 

[pricedo]

No Second Amendment in Canada.....big gun bans looming in the near future

Every gun you can buy in Canada you can find in the USA,

A great big negatory on that one rubber ducky.

Next time you're in Wal-Mart or Bass Pro in the US of A check around for a Dominion Arms pump action 12 gauge shotgun with a 10" bbl. .........you won't find one.

THE DOWN SIDE: The federal police force in Canada, the RCMP, is apparently allowed to ban guns willy nilly without the need for legislation or government approval & it is rumored that the Mounties will get around to gathering up all the handguns, semi automatic long guns & the neat little short barreled shotties in the not too distant future when the left wing Liberal Party (Democrats on steroids) returns to power.

 

[Onmilo]

1986 Bush 1
George Bush Senior signed the law preventing further import of look-a-like semi auto "Assault type weapons" including high capacity and revolver type shotguns.
The ban also extended to semi auto surplus rifles, this is why you don't see any SVT-40 and SVT-38 rifles, Dragunovs and Medveds, FN49, Hakims, Rasheeds, etc.
The guns are out there, thousands of them, all surplus and waiting for buyers.

Clinton AWB expanded on this law by preventing domestic firearms from having features such as flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and high capacity magazines from being sold to general public though items already on the market could continue to be sold, mainly because the goverment was well aware of the costs involved in trying to seize the stuff and the costs involved in arresting and prosecuting the possessors.

Blame both the Republicans AND the Democrats, remember both parties are only looking out for your best interests!

 

[candr44]

Blame both the Republicans AND the Democrats

Don't forget George W. Bush saying he would have signed the Assault Weapons Ban back into law if someone put the bill on his desk. At least Clinton made it an experiment that would expire and be evaluated instead of a permanent law but we're still stuck with the Bush era bans.

Blame both Republicans and Democrats is absolutely right!

 

[rodregier]

Nice source for chapter and verse on Canadian gun laws incl dealing with Canada Customs if you want to lawfully bring your iron into Canada...

http://www.panda.com/canadaguns/

In the same vein as "The (Italian fascists during WWII) keep the trains running on time...", Canadian firearm license holders can have out of province dealers send them firearm purchases directly to their residence. Part of that transaction also includes registration transfer from the dealer to the new owner.

Lawful person to person sales in Canada still involve licenses for both parties and central registry "handshaking". Canadian gun shows typically have an assigned rep from the registry to make the necessary transactions run quickly. A dealer can't release a purchase until the registry handshaking is completed.