CA Fish & Game Expands Lead Ammo Ban

[Selfdfenz]

This may have been stated previously but these actions have been taken by the state of CA. The impact on hunters and target shooters is profound. I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me those same hunters/shooters/range owners etc have enough financial power collectively to file a suit against the state of CA and get a restraining order to stop this cold at least temporarily.
Meanwhile attorneys for that group could file a motion for discovery on all this supposed data and see if the state actually has anything to support this rule/law/policy or not. If not, or if the data is weak, the hunters/shooters could take steps to have restarining order extended or made permanent or have the policy reversed completely. I bet they don't have the data.

If lead is the causitive agent what isn't this federal law? Something smells. If the state was challenged successfully on this issue it would be a great victory on many levels.

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[Bill2e]

Um.. am I the only one to perceive that the ban only affects those using .22LR or smaller calibers? so in other words, you must switch from lead shot to steel shot, until you get into 00 buck (which is bigger than .22); you must use .223 to shoot coyotes, instead of .22LR.

or am I missing something? I'm perfectly okay with shooting coyotes with .223 - IMHO, If I shoot something I intend it to die right away instead of crawling off somewhere, and I personally would be determined to eat it as well.

I am fine shooting a .223 also, but the 22lr ban is just a start. They chip away lttle bit at a time. First the .22, then the .223, next thing you know you can't buy any ammo for any gun.

It is just like the shotgunners saying they don't care about a ban on AR-15's becasue they don't shoot them anyway.

 

[rdhood]

misc thoughts:

Do endangered species trump the Constitution?

While this is not an outright ban on lead ammo... read the writing on the wall. The lead ammo ban in CA grows a little every year. To me, it is starting to look like a defacto gun bun.

Aluminum as a bullet would seem to be too light (not dense enough for it's size). Has anyone ever studied the toxicity of airborne aluminum?

 

[ArmedBear]

I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me those same hunters/shooters/range owners etc have enough financial power collectively to file a suit against the state of CA and get a restraining order to stop this cold at least temporarily.

Do you have to be a lawyer to read?

Target shooters and range owners would have NO STANDING because the only ban is on the use of lead to take large game in a certain area within the state. It has no impact on target shooting at formal ranges, plinking, or anything else, including bird hunting.

While this is not an outright ban on lead ammo... read the writing on the wall. The lead ammo ban in CA grows a little every year. To me, it is starting to look like a defacto gun bun.

Explain how.

This doesn't even ban lead ammo for large game in most of the state.

Again, I don't support it, but are you as upset about non-toxic waterfowl shot? Has it resulted in a ban of shotguns for self-defense? Do you even know that there IS a ban on lead shot for waterfowl hunting and there has been for more than a decade and a half, throughout all of North America? Do you think that the lead shot ban for waterfowl hunting is unconstitutional?

 

[rdhood]

Explain how.

This doesn't even ban lead ammo for large game in most of the state.

Again, I don't support it, but are you as upset about non-toxic waterfowl shot? Has it resulted in a ban of shotguns for self-defense? Do you even know that there IS a ban on lead shot for waterfowl hunting and there has been for more than a decade and a half, throughout all of North America? Do you think that the lead shot ban for waterfowl hunting is unconstitutional?

One might want to lay off the extra cup of coffee before perusing forums. My only assertion was that 1) they ban a bit more lead ammo in a few more sights every year and 2) virtually all current ammo has a lead - based bullet and 3) guns require bullets. Thus.. slowly but surely, CA is working towards a defacto gun ban. It might take 20 years... or 30... or 40.

There may very well be new bullet or firearms technologies that come along to obsolete the bullet. If not, no bullets == no guns.

Now, go detox with some decaf for a month...

 

[Oohrah]

What a neat concise law that everyone now has a differing view of
what it means. THEY WANT YOR GUNS AND ANYTHING RELATED TO
FIREARMS BANNED!!!! Let's see a ban on lead shot on migratory birds.
allowing steel shot, magnetic (steel bullets) not allowed on most public
ranges, the banned lead bullets to have ID markings. Most evil rifles
that shoot more than ten rounds of bad lead! Your ocean waters
declared sanctuary for no fishing. May be a great place to live, but
why are the same law makers who are supposed to be working for you
continue to be reelected to pass more of these restrictive great laws?
California is fast becoming a place not to visit!
My read on that new law is any place that the Condors range is
a non lead zone and hunting whatever is a food source for them is
illegal to hunt with lead bullets. It's going to be interesting when
all the firearms to be legal will need a firearm ID print signature on
every round fired in a handgun. Most likely the manufacters will go
by the direction of Barrett and will not sell their product or service
them.

 

[ArmedBear]

they ban a bit more lead ammo in a few more sights every year

They have not banned lead ammo in any sites. You can shoot cans with lead ammo in the same location. You can shoot quail, squirrels and rabbits with lead ammo in the same location. You can't legally shoot ducks with lead ammo, and you haven't been able to since 1991, anywhere in North America. You can't shoot large game with lead ammo, in a certain area. That's it. No "ammo ban".

It's you who needs to lay off the chemicals, I think. It's you who hasn't stopped to read what this is about.

Like I said, I don't agree with it, but this is silly.

My read on that new law is any place that the Condors range is
a non lead zone and hunting whatever is a food source for them is
illegal to hunt with lead bullets.

That is what this is about, and like I said, I would rather that the Condor was allowed to die out, instead of all the money being spent on it. At least you read about it.

You do realize, though, that in some states, you can't hunt birds on public lands with lead, either?

It's going to be interesting when
all the firearms to be legal will need a firearm ID print signature on
every round fired in a handgun.

That may happen, but that's not the law that was just passed.

 

[Scorpiusdeus]

That is one ugly bird to protect anyway. An eagle, sure, but an ugly Condor. Keep America beautiful people.