CA Legal AR and AK's ready to go

[Cannibul]

???***???

Its illegal to carry a handgun on or about your person in Texas (unless on your own property or with the permission of the property owner) without a CHL, so the piece of plastic makes all the difference. Sad but true, carrying without carrying your papers is a violation. Even with a CHL you have to leave private property if the property owner asks you to leave, posting of the PC 30.06 sign preemptively "asks you to leave".

There are exceptions, that have recently been "clarified" with a law that now allows carrying inside your vehicle (as an extension of your home) as long as you are not a "known gang member" or prohibited person, this was in response to big city DAs not honoring the "while traveling" exception. Obviously there are issues with the known gang member part.

You should know all this.

The whole point of "stop and frisk" is to make it risky for prohibited persons to carry. Its easy for police to say "I saw a bulge" or "the pocket looked really heavy" so I thought he may be illegally carrying a gun. To the honest citizen its "that sure is a nice big phone" or "I see you have a CHL, have a nice day", to the person violating carry laws its a trip downtown.

I was speaking about CC. You're either legal to carry or you're not. Right now we need paid permission slip to do so. With CC we would not. It would make no difference to the criminals either way. Police know most of the prohibited persons. If they see the bulge they can stop them.

You seem to favor burdening the lawfull while not doing a whit with the unlawful.

 

[wally]

It would make no difference to the criminals either way. Police know most of the prohibited persons. If they see the bulge they can stop them.

You are not up on current gang practices, they have "clean" members act as gun bearers. Could they get a CHL, I don't know, but with CC the "known gang member" status carries little or no legal weight for those not convicted. The "car carry" statue attempts to address this, but I don't know if it has actually been used, it would seem to be more difficult for something that is "constitutional" without some kind of due process to make you a "gang member". This is a slippery slope indeed, what if the next Democratic administration manages to declare the NRA as a "gang" or terrorist organization?

You seem to favor burdening the lawfull while not doing a whit with the unlawful.

No I'm suggesting some compromise to reduce the burden on the lawful while leaving tools in place to arrest those who can't be bothered with following the law by getting a CHL.

 

[Dog Soldier]

Yes. When the voters keep voting liberal Democrats to state government, you end up with liberal government. Since there are far more Democrat leaning voters than republican voters (likely from people moving out of state and liberal/Democrats propagating, etc.), Democrats will likely keep control of Sacramento for the foreseeable future.


No. But that's the ultimate goal of liberal Democrats and antis.


Yes they are. Goes to show that people can rise up and make changes to state/federal governments.


We have and experienced some wins for 2A but mostly have experienced major loses the past several decades. With Democrat controlled Sacramento, it's almost too late for California as they can keep passing whatever laws they want to pass.

It is for these reasons why 2017 is a crucial year for Second Amendment. With republican controlled White House and Congress, this is the year pro 2A people and law makers must push back to reverse the decades of damage done by the antis whose ultimate goal is to take guns away from lawful citizens of this country. If not, what happened in CA/NY WILL LIKELY HAPPEN IN OTHER STATES over time.

Since losing the election, liberal Democrats/antis want to "resist" Trump and likely wage an all out war on 2A. We have an opportunity for pro 2A people to rise up and push over the resistance to make lasting changes for 2A so we don't have to spend time on threads like this to figure out how to "comply" with more and more restrictive gun control laws.

bds thanks for your responses very nice. I must question your statement regarding the entire Nation falling after California. Many of the other states have protested,fought struggled and voted for more gun freedoms and are wining. There are more states with favorable carry laws than ever before. The Battle rages on.

 

[Ruger 15151]

Unfortunately.... I live in Taxifornia. I dont see the tides of gun control changing any time soon.

 

[Prijador]

Good to hear about this - every time the gun community comes up with workarounds, we show just how idiotic gun control laws are - and "assault weapons" bans are really really really idiotic.

Another 2 cents: I know some people write off states like California, New York, and the other ban states. I did the math a while back, and IIRC something like one third of people in the US live in the shackles of a ban state, being denied the basic human right of effective self-defense for some very stupid reasons. That is unacceptable.

 

[BrocLuno]

Yeah...and whatvwill happen is people will buy them, then California legislatures will draft up a new law which adds THOSE guns to their forbidden list, then it'll start all over again.

Pro-Second Amendment California residents NEED to get a strong, grass-roots movement going over this and start taking control of this mess.

If I lived in California, I'd be getting darn ticked off at jumping through all the legal hoops to finally end up buying compliant firearms and supplies time and again, only to have them outlawed shortly afterwards.

Naw, we like being Guinea Pigs for the rest of the country. Let the guberment experiment on us. Just makes us stronger in a mutant sort of a way

Did you ever notice that if you type in the name of the state with a K, it'll get xxxx'd out ... Do the mods not like Schwartzengruber ...