California ammo law?

[Diggers]

So I'm trying to figure out what this law does for law enforcement.

How does collecting all the information and a thumb print, from the buyer of handgun ammo help anything as far as law enforcement goes?

Can't see any real benifit there.

I guess it really is a way to stop mail order ammo.

What we really need in CA is a law that says any new law must have a logical, clearly written discription as to what the new law will accomplish and how each limitation in the law can be justified. AND the facts in the discription MUST be varified at true BEFORE any new law can be passed.

Oh BTW from what I hear there was something similar YEARS ago in CA where personal info and a thumb print was taken when ammo was bought. HOWEVER there was no record keeping system in place for all that information so it just piled up and eventually people just stoped doing it.
SO that begs the question, WHO is going to keep track of all this info? Does it just have to sit in the gunshop for X amount of years or does some government agency come and collect it and then enter it into a computer data base?

 

[KBintheSLC]

The CA DOJ is supposed to keep track of it, sort of like they keep track of gun owners through the registration system. However, I doubt there will be any real benefit for law enforcement... that was not the propose of this law. Virtually all of CA's gun/ammo laws are fundamentally designed to be proverbial "red tape" for gun owners. The goal is to make gun ownership so costly and bureaucratic, that it becomes unobtainable for average citizens. There is almost nothing on the CA law books that actually serves to prevent crime... if there was, we would not have such outrageous levels of gun-related violence here.

 

[Harley Quinn]

It is interesting to look at this information and compare over the years, amount of people that have increased and crime per...

90's were pretty rough across the board

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

Will ammo sales be lower Only time will tell

I think if you really could dig into it deep, someone is pulling the strings for economic reasons, gun shops etc come to mind, benefit of no outside source available, without extreme measures...Buy local...

Regards

 

[Diggers]

That will be a HUGE amount of info to keep track of and will cost a ton of money. The DOJ will fall behind so fast (if they even really try) that the law will become even more of a joke than it already is.

Unless all the info is electronic to begin with, including a thumb print, (which means all places that sell ammo would have to buy new equipment.) there is NO WAY DOJ will be able to keep up with these records in any orderly way.

BUT again I would really like to hear what was said by the lawmakers about what exactly this law is supposed to do. (Did they say the intent was to ban mail order ammo sales? humm.)

So OK there is a record of some guy buying ammo and they can prove it was him by the thumbprint....AND??

What does anyone actually do with that information? It just doesn't go anywhere. It’s a ton of information that needs to be stored which is TOTALLY useless. Particularly so by the fact that anyone can buy ammo out of state and bring it into the state.
I hate dumb laws.

 

[mrwilmoth]

Any new info since it's now after the new year?

 

[blakdawg]

OOIDA, one of the challenges, was dismissed without prejudice as not yet ripe for adjudication.

Some sellers are already refusing to ship to CA.

 

[slabuda]

I'm not sure how this passes Constitutional muster with regard to the Commerce Clause (I mean the real Commerce Clause, not the monster it has morphed into, although that makes it even easier to smack down CA here)

I was thinking the same thing. So they try to ban stuff by using the commerce clause, or say that Montana, Idaho etc cant manufacture and keep only in the state full auto as it is against the commerce clause.

So isnt this affecting interstate commerce by banning out of/cross state sales/commerce using the above logic of the anti groups.

 

[Geckgo]

Alright, this is what we do. We get like 250,000 gun-nut NRA members to move to California until after the next election, and topple their stupid voting margins. When the whole thing is over with, those people move to NY or whatever anti-gun state will have the next midterms and do the same thing there. They wanna play the majority rules card, let's put the majority in favor of the constitution!

 

[calaverasslim]

Geckgo, 250 thousand people won't make a difference. 250,000,000.... Thats 250 million would

 

[627PCFan]

Might have been addressed already but I missed it. Does it apply to loaded ammo only or unloaded components as well?

 

[Librarian]

Does it apply to loaded ammo only or unloaded components as well?

Loaded handgun ammo only - see http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/2009_-_AB_962_De_Leon,_Ammunition