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Im not a big fan of the Air Force Camo. It looks like something a third world Asian military would use. The finalized one anyway.
 
Why is it that suddenly every branch gets to have its own camo? When did the policy change?

And if the Air Force gets its own camo, then what about the Navy? Next thing you know, the Coast Guard will have pixelated orange and white.
 
The AF Blue camo was so you could blend in with your combat environment - the sky. But with the advent of the pilotless aircraft and drones, you can just wear flip flops, yellow shorts, and a bright green Hawaiian shirt while you sit at a computer watching what the bird sends back to you. Ah, true pushbutton warfare.
 
But with the advent of the pilotless aircraft and drones, you can just wear flip flops, yellow shorts, and a bright green Hawaiian shirt while you sit at a computer watching what the bird sends back to you. Ah, true pushbutton warfare.
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Ahh, for the good old days of SAC, MAD and nuclear annihilation at the drop of a klaxon. Be sure to wear the SPF 10,000,000 along with the flip flops, yellow shorts and bright green Hawaiian shirt. Welders goggles are a must. :D

Minuteman III: the first one's there in 30 minutes or less or the second one's free. :evil:

Nuke 'em 'til they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark.
 
most civilian hunting-based patterns are generally better. The reason the military doesn't adopt them is financial.
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Not really. Civilian patterns can be tailored to a specific environment, and thus work almost perfectly in that environment. Military camouflage must be one or two patterns that can work anywhere in the world, which means they're not the best in any area.
 
most civilian hunting-based patterns are generally better. The reason the military doesn't adopt them is financial.
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not to mention that it's also designed to break up the outline when you are moving, not sitting in a tree.
 
Sleuth:
he AF Blue camo was so you could blend in with your combat environment - the sky.
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If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to be camoflauged against the sky, the thought of the enemy spotting you should be the last thing on your mind. I imaigne more prudent lines of worry would involve the following:

- Where did my plane go?
- Am I wearing a parachute?
- What the devil am I over, anyway?
- What are those down there, rose bushes?
 
I work on a Marine base and see MARPAT regularly. A gate-gaurd, standing just a couple feet from me and in front of woods about 75-100 yards behind him, was actually difficult to see. That's why I personally own MARPAT stuff.

I'd love to have some Mulitcam, but that stuff is EX-PENSE-IVE!!!!

Tom
 
Ghillie suit may be one of the best for remaining motionless, it would be the worse choice for anything that required moving around or working in the field.
I like the new pattern the Army is wearing.
 
Stevelyn: I was waiting for someone to mention ASAT. I've heard it is very good and also the similar Predator. Hadn't seen much mention of ASAT in years. Appears to me in my very limited experience, most patterns are simply a dark blob at distance.

mnblaster: Dead on re: ghillie! I have a homemeade one I carry to hunting stand site in a pack. Try to move in the local Greenbrier/honeysuckle/ Hawthorn underbrush and you'll be stark naked in a few steps!!!!!

Stay safe.
Bob
 
I like this stuff - works good - (pic is my brother) - cheap too


I think I got it at Cabela's but I've seen it alot of places for under $50 for the complete suit...
 

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IMO Crye camo/multicam and Marpat is the future, its good stuff.

He believes that you don't really need any special pattern (just use OD), since if your enemies are close enough to see the pattern, they are close enough to see and kill you.
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Well since the human eye has a pretty good resolution I think thats a load of BS. Simply go out into the woods and test this theory. Patterned camo works, it tricks the eye. A big solid blotch of green looks out of place in nature, but mottled up your eyes just sort of pass over it.

http://www.militarymorons.com/gear/crye1.html

username and password for images is: mm
 
OK, not to dump on anyones parade here, but the multicam stuff seems to work best, then followed by RealTree and similar, then the old style pattern, then digital. There's years of misspent paintball games talking here. ;)

Multicam has been beaten to death, so I won't touch on it. Having played paintball against people wearing it, it works great until they get enough paint or dirt on them to stop it's ability to pick up ambient colors well...

RealTree is fantastic until you get into the 'wrong' patch of ground which doesn't match you. Then you're quite obvious.

The 'old' style camo (splotchy indistinct round blobs) works really well in my book and it's still a personal favorite. Need it lighter? Wash it a few times. Need it darker? Buy a fresh pair from the local Army/Navy for $5 or wash the pair you've got in dark colors. (Or wear the pair you use when working on the car, which is my personal favorite in addition to smelling like delicious 90w). The only downside is that there's tons of cheapies out on the market that are the wrong color, or have red in them. Red is almost entirely absent from the local plantlife here and stands out.

I personally have a really easy time spotting people in digital. Why? Because little squares don't naturally occur in nature. 90 degree angles are rare, and a set of them around a color are incredibly rare. I have no problem spotting people in digital and I really wonder why it's been so popular. Even making small, random splotches of color the same size as the squares would be better in my book but squares are the worst idea ever. I know some of you really like it, but next time you're out walking, partially cover a swatch of it in leaves and take a step back. I promise you once you know to look for the squares, you can spot it at a distance much easier.

That being said, the best camo isn't any camo at all, but concealment will win the day every time. Camo just saves your butt when fieldcraft fails you. The trick to getting ahead in paintball, hunting, or the Worst Case is to observe what's in the environment and use it. Are there a lot of people sized bushes? Get under one of them. Are there lots of leaves in the ground? Roll around in them. Rocks? Get between them. Camo will help if it resembles what you're hiding under (which means 90 degree junctions are a no-no), but the point of it is that you should be hiding under it in the first place.

As far as the AirForce is concerned, they should have painted the walls sky-blue everywhere and issued people sky-blue coveralls. On base? Sky blue makes you hard to see! In the air? Sky blue! It just makes sense!
 
I just got done with a paintball game a few days ago i wasd wearing the Marine Marpat camo forest woodland pattern and i found that the camo works best not being in a prone position in the open but being in the brone/couch in brush your enemy will never see you...

I was walking behind a small tree with some brush cover trying to out flank a friend of mine who was trying to flank my team.. I saw him walking out in the open.. He was wearing bluejeans and a gray sweatshirt. He must have noticed me moving he looked a bit and i stood still then he lifted his mask to look closer then he stood for a few more seconds then i opend up.. he quickly jumped for cover and put his mask on:evil: lucky one did not hit him in the face...:evil:
 
Tiber:
Are there a lot of people sized bushes? Get under one of them.
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Ha! Deer hunter's trick or paintballer's trick, it works every time! ;)

Lots of good points about various types of camo patterns here, but Tiber hit the nail squarely on the head, "Camo just saves your butt when fieldcraft fails you." Precisely.

That said, there's nothing wrong with using every possible advantage. What I've gathered so far from this thread is that some camo patterns are better than others in particular situations, but you've gotta match the correct pattern with the local terrain along with using natural material to augment the manmade material. Hmmm, seems like I've heard that somewhere before, some sergeant was trying to drill that into my head at one time. Guess he was right... imagine that. ;)
 
I personally have a really easy time spotting people in digital. Why? Because little squares don't naturally occur in nature. 90 degree angles are rare, and a set of them around a color are incredibly rare. I have no problem spotting people in digital and I really wonder why it's been so popular. Even making small, random splotches of color the same size as the squares would be better in my book but squares are the worst idea ever. I know some of you really like it, but next time you're out walking, partially cover a swatch of it in leaves and take a step back. I promise you once you know to look for the squares, you can spot it at a distance much easier.
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Interesting, I'll have to investigate this further.

I need to get some printed up and test it.
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I likes it! It screws with the eyes.
 
I have been seeing the new ACU stuff around in the woods compaired with the old woodland recently and I really think it works pretty slick. It seems to "adapt" almost to its soroudings. Need a lighter camo for for working in the snow it "seems" lighter. Through the woods and at night it just seems to get darker and more green. It adapts to the lighting really well is what it seems like. Its really werid and I had my doubts about it at first but I think it will work out better then woodland stuff.

Oh, camo for paintball, I hardly bother, sure it helps some but know what. You can see way the heck further then you can acuralty shoot those paintguns. If the weather is cool enough I will throw on a BDU blouse but most of the time in the summer I am playing in a t-shirt. Yeah they can see my pasty white arms but, I can see them too. For me it does not give that much of an advantage that I am going to be hot and uncomfortable.:D
 
I found a Remington-branded long-sleeve camo T-shirt with perforated fabric throughout. It works well in hot weather.
 
And if the Air Force gets its own camo, then what about the Navy? Next thing you know, the Coast Guard will have pixelated orange and white.
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Hah...you laugh, but as any active duty squid will tell you, the
CNO has started a program called "taskforce uniform" that
is examining (and currently field testing!) the feasibility of
having the Navy transition to digital camoflauge BDU's in blue,
white and gray.

It's causing quite a stink within the ranks, but the powers that
be are quite convinced that this is the way to go. After all, everyone
else is doing it! :rolleyes:

Projected uniform shift date is late 2007. :eek:
 
USAF, USN, USA Cammies...

Don't get me wrong, I thank God that I don't see airmen, sailors (with the exception of Docs and Corpsmen), and soldiers wearing Marine Corps MARPAT. But please, MAKE IT STOP!

US AIR FORCE

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Looks like some 3rd world country's camies...


US NAVY

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Wow, no comment necessary.


US ARMY

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Again, no comment necessary.

Just MHO, but the Air Force and Navy really don't need to be spending money on new cammies that they don't even need. The Army just ought to start over.
 
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