Campsite security

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riceboy72

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Greetings everyone,

As spring approaches, our family enjoys camping at a lake and small resort about an hour south of Tacoma. We camp in two tents (one for me and my wife, and let our daughter and whichever friend she brings stay in the other tent). The sites nearest the lake are designed for tents, and will easily accommodate a family. Two small cabins are set on the perimeter that lead to the road, and can be rented by guests. It's pretty mellow, and in a farily decent area.

Last summer, I was awakened by my wife who noticed two men at the cabin next to our campsite standing on the porch and smoking something at 3 am using a pipe and a torch. Her primary concern was the safety of our daughter, who was asleep in the next tent. They were outside for about an hour, then went inside. We saw them the next day and they were less than stellar in appearance and character as they roamed around the area and were mouthy with other people and their families. They left later that day and we saw them again two weeks ago when we went there to fish for the day. They approached us and would not leave us alone for a few minutes until I told them we could not help them and they needed to leave us be, which they did.

Which leads me to the reason for my post: For those of you who camp in tents, either in the backcountry or car camp, what safety and security measures do you take around a campsite? How do you secure a pistol at night if you have one? Do you leave it in a holster next to or in your sleeping bag, or secure it in a Maxpedition or other case next to you? Do you sleep with your head away from the door so you can use your feet to kick at someone trying to get into your tent, or at least buy a second or two to react? Do you arrange tents with doors facing each other, or have another configuration which works best?

When I walk back to our site, I always notice each family or guest with the traditional pile of firewood, axe sticking out of a stump, and a pretty relaxed atmosphere overall, which is the idea. Without locking up the axe in the trunk, what do you do to ensure your campsite is safe at night from others? We have always thought of the resort as safe and very comfortable, but the tweekers we ran into made us think otherwise on our last visit. Obviously we're not going to zip and lock ourselves into our tent, but this brought up a good discussion with me and my wife as we plan our summer trips. Lastly, the resort owners were made aware of the issues, but I am not sure of the follow up that was done, if any. Your thoughts?
 
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portable motion detectors are veerry easy to rig up w/ some basic hardware store parts, accessorize w/ lights & audible alarms to your preference, limit range and field of view w/ strips of clear and solid tape as necessary for each location. There are some battery-powered modules available from like lowes etc. Since we mostly are in really remote areas I also still use the old trip-flare concept too. As for my pistol when we use a tent, I sleep feet-towards -door with the pistol at the farthest corner so I can get to it before anyone else. Usually we're without a tent, so I just lanyard it w/ an empty chamber. My wife does the same. Too many meth-heads around to take any chances. Hope that helps!
 
The wife of a friend won't go to bed unless the axe is locked in the car, and her husband is a cop.
When tent camping I sleep with my head away from the door and a pistol in a holster by my side. A dog in camp will make camping more fun and also keep people from messing around your camp at night. My dog is my best buddy as well as part of the family security system.
 
Yeah, and that's the other consideration. When we leave, we zip everything up and head to the dock to fish. Anything of value goes into the car, and I wear my pistol like I do daily, but I know neither is foolproof for securing our things. We do like this resort and as much as I want to get out and be away from people, my wife and daughter enjoy the showers and activity around the lake. Excellent replies so far and yes, it's helpful!
 
Well, I would find a new place to visit and not go back there. I think that is the single hardest thing about real self protection to do: put the ego aside and truly avoid bad situations (and even the potential for them) all together, let it be the next person's problem. There are plenty of great places to see and explore. You told the owner's, your civic duty is done.
 
The only way to be truly secure in a campsite is to have enough people to effectively run a firewatch all night. Barring that, sleeping in a tent is just about the worst thing you can do for situational awareness.

Though I recognize that it may not be a practical method for you and your wife, the best way to be able to respond to an unexpected threat in the field is to sleep outside, in a Gore-Tex bivvy sack, on an insulated ground pad, with a poncho as overhead cover if necessary.
 
I enjoy the rustic camping, drive out to the middle of nowhere, backpack in, set up camp.

In these cases, at best I'll use a 2 piece military surplus shelter, or just sleeping under the stars with nothing but a foam mat and a poncho/ liner.

We will set up perimeter security. I sleep on my back, usually with a handgun holstered ether still on my hip or near at hand. Generally, an AR or 12 gauge is also at arms reach, along with a flashlight. I've had enough encounters in the wild to make sure my campsite it prepared.
 
From your description I am guess that you are camping along the Lewis River. There are good and bad places along the Lewis River. One of the better places is the Upper Lewis River Falls campground. This is a forest service campground and it has person there. When steam fishing is open you can keep legal length fish above the falls. Below the falls are pools wher the wife and kids can play. There are enough people that you should not have anyt problems at this site plus the road is nasty enough that it keeps a good number of people away as low clearance vehicles simply can not make it.

Around the multiple Lewis River Resivoirs ther are cabins that are privately owned. Cabin owners do get resentful of the tourists as often they come in and leave us with problems BUT what you encountered sounds like looser relatives of a cabin owner.

And No I am on White Pass.

If I am tent camping I sleep with my guns. I have been in places where I have slept with a single action in my hand. I carry in a coat pocket even while stream fishing as you never know who may be around the bend and what they may be cooking.
 
A puppy dog will be a great camping buddy and will probably warn you if anyone intrudes upon the camp at night.
 
You can set up a perimeter alarm with some fishing line, a rubber band, and 1-2 cheap audible $5 door/window alarms:

I'd be very careful about setting up what essentially equates to deliberate trip hazard on a public camp ground.
 
Does anyone else remember the days when campers looked out for each other?
They still do. My wife and I do quite a bit of camping. No guns, alarms, or trip wires. We have met interesting people from all over the world (National parks are full of foreign tourists). No problems. If I felt the need to set up a security perimeter every night I would just stay home.
 
A puppy dog will be a great camping buddy and will probably warn you if anyone intrudes upon the camp at night.
We had a drunk rattle the door of our camper a couple summers ago I believe my 108 pound Pyrenees caused him to relieve himself. He was real appolagetic the next AM.
 
Just to clarify, when I'm setting up perimeter security, its generally for four legged critters, and since in don't camp in public camp grounds. Since my buddy had an encountered enter with a black bear in the area where we set up, security has become more of a concern.
 
I appreciate your answers. Understandably there is a risk with tent camping, and with all the years I've done it I have never had a bad encounter with other people. It did get my curiosity piqued, and I wondered if there were things I wasn't doing that the rest of the outdoor world was, taking into consideration how things have changed over the past few years with our world and society in general.
 
We camp a lot, and I think the best alarm in camp is a dog. We now have a camper but we used to tent camp. I still have the dogs outside the camper in the kennels and they will let you know when someone or something is there. I also have my pistol and mine and my wife's pistol at the bedside.
 
Take a dog. Keep your firearm within reach of your dominant hand. Wrap fishing line around stakes encircling your tent. Tie aluminum cans with pebbles in them to the fishing line. If the sound of the cans doesn't wake you, it'll surely wake the dog.
 
First, go somewhere the lazy people don't. Washington has hundreds of miles of National Forest Service roads to explore. We find solitude by exploring down the overgrown rutted roads 99% of the people won’t drive their trucks on. There’s no obligation to camp at a “campsite”. Make your own campsite- the kids will enjoy it more anyway. We’ve been down some abandoned roads so narrow (barely wider than the mirrors) and brushy the truck disappears. Next, get off the ground.


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.... taking into consideration how things have changed over the past few years with our world and society in general.

What has happened in the past few years? Both violent and property crime are down over the past 5, 10, 15, 20 years. Look at any classification the FBI keeps records of: murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, vehicle theft. All are down and remarkably so since their peak in the early 90's.

The USA is a much safer place than when I grew up 20 years ago but people I know won't let their kids walk to the bus stop. Why? As the crime rate has been steadily falling the reporting of crime in the media has been steadily increasing. Fear sells. Don't let the media scare you.
 
Changes that affect campers include the spread of the growing of marijuana in wilderness areas and the advent of methamphetamine production. The people who engage in those industries do not want to get caught and can be very dangerous.
 
Changes that affect campers include the spread of the growing of marijuana in wilderness areas and the advent of methamphetamine production. The people who engage in those industries do not want to get caught and can be very dangerous.
I hear this a lot but I have yet to read of it happening anywhere in the PNW. We have hikers, mountain bikers, backpackers, scramblers, climbers, campers, etc., crawling all over the place- they all have forums and nobody is reporting anything more violent than a car break-in at a trailhead. Still, by far the biggest threat is falls and hypothermia. Many of us have done a lot of off-trail hikes deep into the wilderness areas and found nothing but wilderness. You’re certainly not going to find anyone running a large scale meth operation out of one of the controlled campgrounds, and the terrain out in the forest is usually more than pot growers want to tackle.
 
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