Shelters for extended bug-out, SHTF, TEOTW

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Fold-up yurt

Some of the yurt photos showe a lattice support structure, like a garden gazebo. What if you could create an accordion-like wall structure, like one of those folding babygates that go across a doorway? You couldn't get a truly round structure, (with enough panels you could close), but an octagon would provide almost as much stability.

I'm not an engineer. I can see it in my head, but it would take a while to explain to you.
 
I hope I'm not hijacking the thread now but if the SHTF or TEOTWAWKI have enough food and water in your house to last 3 to 5 weeks don't leave your house after 3 or so weeks all the people that have been sleeping will be dead of starvation lack of water whatever the criminal element will have been drammatically reduced by them fighting for whatever is in the stores at SHTF time. Depending on the scenario my main one is really bad hurricane after a bunch of really bad hurricanes and the govt doesnt have anything left to restore order here so they tell people to evac north to some kind of camp. anyway though after 3 weeks things will have shaken out. get as far away from cities as possible. And I hate to tell you but completely on your own isn't going to work. I have a cousin who went thru Andrew and is armed and prepared for a bunch of different SHTF scenarios. Also by way of hurricane preparation i have my aunt and her house prepared for the 3 to 5 week shaking out period. Now other people with weapons and a beleif that they may need to bug out aren't easy to find. If you have family where you live then matbe you have some cousins that you are close to that would like to prepare for some extended camping trip or hunting trip where you have them accumulating supplies so when the time comes you aren't solo. If you don't have family or friends nearby you should have enough fuel stored to get you reasonably close to them you can store fuel by by buying a gasoline stabilizer called STABIL it worls my cousin used it to get himself and his mother out of miami after wilma he said his fuel economy was the same for his truck (Toyota sr5) and his moms minivan. Being on your own it wont work the people left after the 3 week wait are going to be either Like Minded Individuals or the smartest and wilyest of the scum of the earth. And LMI are all going to assume if you aren't one of them then you must be a BG.
 
Dig in! A couple sheets of courrugated tin, some logs from the surrounding area, and a little imagination will get you a decent place to hunker down for a spell, and if done right will keep prying eyes from seeing any encampment.
 
You might want to think about the 10'x20' portable garages from Costco. I can set one up by myself in 90 minutes in the dark, and have lived in one for weeks at a time in the desert dealing with rain, sand storms and 70+ mph winds. You can pick them up for under $200, and with some 3' pieces of rebar, they are rock solid. The biggest issue I've had is when it's really, really windy, it can be drafty inside, but some additional tarps and duct tape could be used to seal up the gaps.
 
Nem., I think a wall tent is a great idea. I am not so sure, however ,if our rotten infrastucture in Puget Sound is going to allow any sort of four wheel transport out of here. I know they have been tryng to reinforce some of the bridges, etc, but my gut feeling(and I have always been a pessimist) is that the alaskan way viaduct, the west seattle viaduct, most of the hiway over passes and maybe the narrows bridge (s) , together with every brick stucture built before 1960 are going to be in a large heap on the ground, if we get a big quake. They say the 1700 subduction quake was a 9.0. Also the tsunami is going to be a real bitch for waterfront property, the sound is going to act as a big funnel. In Lituya Bay I saw a splash zone 1700 feet high on the side of a mountain. Earthquake caused a mountain to fall into bay and make a big splash. I don't know what you are pulling that trailer with but it would be good to have some ground clearance and manueverability in case the going gets rough.
 
Well, you could combine your two vehicles. In its most basic form, an M35 has a 12'x6' bed that takes a rather tough tarp/cover that can have it's sides rolled up (as well as the fronts and backs). GMA cover corp makes them out of an insulated vinyl so they last rather well (chemical agent resistant too) and they have two zip open windows front and back as well. Not super great insulation and no-place for a stove, but it's instant, with the truck and portable. Need more shelter, add in a standard tent of your own preference or go with a rigid shelter on a military trailer or put the shelter on the bed of the truck. I've been looking at an S250 shelter for my Deuce in it's bed or on a trailer. Enough space for sleeping 2, but you'll be making food outdoors, not too hard for light environs. You could add a tent/awning off the sides/back of the shelter. The S280 is larger and fits in the bed of the 2.5 ton truck.

My deuce with the cargo cover
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An S250 shelter
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An S280
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An M35 is a handy thing to have. Throw on a stripped out 280 shelter and you can do real well for yourself. An old acquaintance built himself a motorhome on one ythat worked beautifully. He was a surveyor and lived in it 6-7 months out of the year. Had a little Honda 90 on the back as a "lifeboat" and to go into town for milk and smokes. The multifuel engine is handy too. It'll even burn used motor oil if suitably thinned. If you every have a choice get an A1C or A2A naturally aspirated model.

If you want an M35 go here:
http://www.boyceequipment.com/

Ocassionally they have them available along with a lot of other military vehicles and equipment. Good folks to do business with. As a GI I even bought stuff back from them when we couldn't get through supply and he warrantied it too, unlike the depot.

Sam
 
speaking as one who has done the reconstruction after some pretty good sized natural disasters, I would also like to add some thoughts. have you thought about adding some of these to your trailer.?
http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-awnings/cf-add-a-screen-room.htm

I can not find a link for the brand we used but you get the idea. We had a 28 x8 foot construction trailer and we used a pair of these on both it and the motor home tow vehicle. These are made for heavy use (heavy use by a retiree not a soldier) and on ours, lasted for at least five summers of use before we had to relace the fabric on a couple. They would allow for outside strage of tools, bikes, etc and allow for a workshop like environment that would keep the bugs away.


I have seen some pretty cool portable structure being used by some people we know who are pretty much construction nomads. they follow Disasters and have contacts in the insurance industry and know that if they go they will make enough money in a short time to live as they please.
http://www.shelter-systems.com/solor-dome.html
http://www.yurtco.com/products/prd-ord-cdn.html

I have seen some really cool portable Yurts, domes, combos of the two, One structure was just two layers of fiber glass sheet separated by foam. Picture a SIPS panel with cam locks that allow you to just assemble walls in minutes. A real cabin in 2 hours? easy...
http://www.murus.com/t.polyurethane.html This group had three cabins on one 12X8 flat bed trailer, one decent sized diesel generator, and they had window A/C. From when they pulled into the parking lot to when they had 3 livable structures was 6 hours! three guys working. The floors were nested, aluminum blox tubes with Plywood surface, 6 sheets of plywood, 12 foot by 16 foot, with some kind of connector tying them together and making the exterior panels starting point. The walls were 4 foot by 8 foot, that stradled the connectors on the floor and then cam locked together. two panels each cabin had windows in them, and two had doors. There were gable ends that filled in the gaps on the ends and then a cross beam that the roof panels locked into to for the roof. They hung some tarps like parttions inside. I could have lived in one permanently if needed and not felt deprved. it was over a hundred shortly after we arrived and these guys had cool 75* degree bunk spaces. The genset that they used was an Onan and it was less than 2 gallons a day.

On the topic of the military trucks, I know a man who took a used 28 foot box truck and made a very nice Motorhome, race bike hauler for not a lot of money.

Also I have seen uses for new photo Voltaics that would be mobile worthy. http://www.atlantisenergy.org/
http://www.solarseller.com/rv_and_residential_installation_.htm
http://www.talcoelectronics.com/rv-solar-panels/

imagine having usefull refrigeration using cold plate technology that is basically free to use, and does not consume your fuel supplies.

Just some Ideas. I have a 32 foot contruction trailer that has been somewhat thought about as a SHTF place. It has a propane heater (and a bbq grilll on the tongue) and I have a small wood stove that would fit right in. I have the solar panels on my boat that just power a vent fan and a trickle charger. Just need to add a set to the trailer and I could run a fan and lights easy.
 
There are two problems with domes: 1) they are difficult to put up. Anything larger than a 12' will take 2-3 people 4-6 hours. The amount of work multiplies exponentially with the size.
According to Pacific Domes' own litterature, a 16' dome could be put up by 3 or 4 people in as many hours -- about half that if you have done it before. You can order their free DVD here, and get a good idea of how it's constructed.

As you point out, commercial domes can be pricey, but if you're up to it you can construct your own. Check out Earl's page -- he built a 16-footer for just under $500!
 
According to Pacific Domes' own litterature, a 16' dome could be put up by 3 or 4 people in as many hours -- about half that if you have done it before.
Two summers ago, I helped put up a 30' Pacific Dome yurt.

It was a nightmare. :eek:

The problem was, the frame segments are of 3 different lengths, but are similar enough in size that, unless clearly marked, it's very easy to put the wrong one in a spot.

The key there is "clearly marked". If I ever own one (not likely for my application), I'd paint the ends of the frames red, blue & yellow (or some such colors) to clearly mark them.

The other problem was the directions, more specifically the "map" of which frame segment goes where. Our copy was worn, and - from my perspective - not particularly easy to read (i.e., beyond being worn, it was not drawn in a way that was maximally intelligible).

Suggestion: if you get one, make several copies of the "map", then laminate them all. And do your self a favor: put it up several times before you really need to. ;)

For my camp needs, where I want to be able to set up and take down quickly with only two, a dome (even a small one) is just too complex, even though I really love them for other uses. If I were going to choose such a structure to live in for an extended period (months or longer), it'd probably be either a dome or a larger yurt.

Nem
 
My first thought was yurt - but aside from reading about them have never ever seen one standing.

How about a tent extension to the trailer? Something that would have three sides and attach watertight top and be reasonably snug at the sides along one side of the trailer.

The trailer would act as a good windbreak and eliminate having to "commute" between a completely separate shelter in bad weather. Three sides would be lighter than a four sided tent.

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That Concrete Canvas set up would be the ticket IMO...too bad it isn't in production and the cost is probably prohibitive. That and once up, it's up for good.

Greg
 
LAK said:
How about a tent extension to the trailer? Something that would have three sides and attach watertight top and be reasonably snug at the sides along one side of the trailer.

The trailer would act as a good windbreak and eliminate having to "commute" between a completely separate shelter in bad weather. Three sides would be lighter than a four sided tent.
That's exactly what I've got in mind.

I want it made from heavy canvas similar to a mountaineers tent, but with lots of extra loops for extra tie downs in BIG winds.

I've looked at the 'pre-fab' jobs mentioned earlier, but just don't trust their stability. For example, they don't come with sewn-in loops for adding extra tie downs.

Given what we've got coming our way with climate changes, I want all the tie downs I can get.

Nem
 
I want it made from heavy canvas similar to a mountaineers tent, but with lots of extra loops for extra tie downs in BIG winds.

I've looked at the 'pre-fab' jobs mentioned earlier, but just don't trust their stability. For example, they don't come with sewn-in loops for adding extra tie downs
Yep; seems we have a similar view on this subject. The factory stuff is quick, pretty and practical when touring - but it isn't going to be very comfortable in a real storm. I have seen many an RV awning ripped right off a trailer or motorhome.

Might be worth taking the heaviest "truck tarp" to be found and heavily reinforce it with some kind of solid sheet metal band that would slot into a mating channel running along the trailer top edge. making it watertight might be tricky, but not insurmountable.

A solid bolt together frame and reinforced guy points and lower anchors would about complete the picture. Being trailer savvy you have probably already nailed some good expedients to stabilize the trailer itself.

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LAK said:
I have seen many an RV awning ripped right off a trailer or motorhome.
One of the five most informative 'survival shelter' experiences I've had in my life
was at a large outdoor festival in NV called 'Burning Man'.

The year was '00.

Being desert rats & mountaineers who've experienced the fiercest (at that time) that mother nature could throw out in the southwest on the open desert and above the treeline, but having survived it (e.g., three days in by foot above 12k'), we designed a trailer 'patio' tarp made of army surplus tarp (16' X 10'); aluminum stays over the small cargo trailer (which offered a ventilating 1' space above the roof in a 100*F summer heat during the day; 3' X 1" steel anchors driven into the playa with a sledge; & rachet straps on both sides to hold the entire rig onto the top of the trailer.

The second day there, after making sure the 'hatches were battened', we sat through the first of three afternoon 'wind storms'.

To visualize this takes some amount of imagination.

Scenario: you're on a dry lake bed (playa) of dry, fine, dusty alkaline dust, measuring approximately 6 mi X 40 mi. It was left over from the end of the last Ice Age when the Great Basin was mostly a large lake. This one, the "Black Rock Desert", was the largest lake.

So, in August & September, in the afternoon, convection (thunder) storms gather in the west. You can see them developing for hours before they hit.

Just before the rain begins - IF the rain begins at all - there are down drafts off the front. Winds clock sustained 70 mph.

I saw dust blowing vertically, and people trying to stop their sun/rain covers from blowing away.

Visibility was 20'.

From my secured trailer, with tarp held on by ratchet straps & long, steel anchors,
which didn't even flap in the wind, much less blow away,
I watched Walmart & Costco {tm} "picnic" shelters get blown into the county to the east of there.

That was in '00.

Before then, 1998 was the hottest year recorded on Earth since record keeping began.

Now, 2005 has exceeded that as hottest year on Earth since record keeping began.

Winds are driven by heat flow down a thermodynamic gradient.

What I saw in '00 was only the beginning.

Buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy.

And make sure you've got extra tie downs on your trailer rig.

Nem
 
Sounds entertaining! Coming off a winter climb in North Wales many years ago a buddy and I were assaulted by gusting down draughts coming across a small elevated lake. It took us right off our feet and bowled us for along five to ten yards if we weren't crouched and braced or clutching a boulder etc. Although the wind was already gusting strong we usually had some warning as you could see it scoop up water coming across. It would have demolished any but the best and most firmly anchored tents.

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Living in NM I wear sunglasses to keep the wind and sand out of my eyes.

The windy season gets nasty here.

When in Saudi I found out goggles work much better, especially if you have a scarf or something to wrap around the rest of your face, especially the mouth and nose. Sandstorms like you would not believe, far worse than NM.

I would want to be behind something big, or dug in. Any tarps or tents would have to be really tied down, or secured to something not going anywhere, like a truck or van. Might have to take down a shelter rather than risk getting it shredded by high winds.

Low profile helps, and pointing the slope of the tent into the wind instead of the ends. An extra, heavy duty tarp placed over a tent as a wind break might help if you can tie it down well enough. You might consider a seperate large tarp to use for this in areas without natural wind breaks.

When the wind is blowing hard enough to rock my truck on its suspension I am glad I live indoors...;)
 
NMShooter said:
I would want to be behind something big, or dug in. Any tarps or tents would have to be really tied down, or secured to something not going anywhere, like a truck or van.
Shooter, In open country (e.g., desert, grassland, or an opening in the forest), I want my tent addition both secured to something big (trailer) AND really tied down to anchors planted deep.

And you're right, of course, about orienting the shelter so that the low edge is into prevailing winds.

LAK is also right about the use of heavy trucker's tarp.

On my trailer, currently (prototype), I use a section of truckers tarp (the kind you see on flatbed rigs) as the "roof of the "addition". The stuff is indestructible. INDESTRUCTABLE.

The sides can be canvas, or even nylon. But the top is going to be trucker's tarp.

Nem
 
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