Can a pistol Under $600 be worth trusting your life on?

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Evidence guns are zip-tied to the bottom of a white cardboard box and stored in a safe room.

They can't allow it to get beat up or rusty, that would be destroying evidence.

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I would never ever carry an expensive handgun for self defense. No way no how!

Now, I suppose "expensive" is a relative term, and to me personally any pistol over $600/700 IS an expensive gun. There are multitudes of under-600 dollar guns that can be had that are fine defense guns.


My reasoning is that IF you need to shoot in self defense you must realize that the police are going to confiscate that weapon.......no matter how justified you are in any given incident......and don't think for a second that the gun is going to be well taken care of while it is in storage for months or years as evidence. It could come back to you damaged or rusted if you get it back at all.........and your complaints would fall on deaf ears: "Life's just tough all over pal".

My brother in-law carries a 1800 dollar pistol as his primary self defense gun and I could never get my head around that logic! Why not carry a 400 dollar RIA which would serve just as well IMHO......and it would'nt be as painful to surrender a RIA as opposed to handing over a Les Baer to an unknown fate.

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Oh, Deer.

Who cares if the PD steals your gun. That gun just saved your life! Isn't that allmost priceless? Isn't that worth a trip to the gun store to celebrate? How many times do you expect to be in a real shooting in your lifetime anyways? It's not like your going to lose 4 Ed Brown pistols to corrupt evidence lockers.

If you save my life I'm in your debt in a way that's far more valuable than the price of any pistol. In some cultures you literally can claim ownership of someone you save for a time. (some weird karma honor thing)


I think I'll choose the gun that works the best when my life is on the line. That's either my modded Glock, or my most expensive custom 1911. Depending on the day.

I've had some bare bones GI type 1911's. They stink compared to the one I've spent time fixing up. I'm not going to carry an old school 1911 or a Sigma just to save money because my gun gets stolen after a shooting.

If I knew of a better, more effective weapon for CCW than what I currently carry, I'm going to try to get my hands on one. Too expensive? Need to sell my spare car, turn off cable, kick out my money siphon girlfriend? So be it.

If my guns are stolen by the PD after a shooting, and I survive, I'll just buy another. Big deal. I'm still ALIVE and thrilled about it. And generally, in free American states, you get to keep your gun after a good shoot. IE: a shoot were you don't get carted off in cuffs.

A dead guy isn't going to be happier that his cheap gun got stolen by the PD than a living guy who has had his expensive gun stolen by the PD.

Price should not be criteria.

Whether or not a gun is best suited to keep you alive is valid criteria to choose with. If you can't work the stiff trigger of a Keltec, maybe a nicer gun would be suitable.

So let me ask you this, not to single you or anyone out.........


Is your current gun that you use for CCW or HD the best, most effective gun for you? Is there a more expensive gun that would improve your shooting?


If the answer is no. Then carry on.
If the answer is yes........then whats stopping you from upgrading.
 
Oh, Deer.

Who cares if the PD steals your gun. That gun just saved your life! Isn't that allmost priceless? Isn't that worth a trip to the gun store to celebrate? How many times do you expect to be in a real shooting in your lifetime anyways? It's not like your going to lose 4 Ed Brown pistols to corrupt evidence lockers.

If you save my life I'm in your debt in a way that's far more valuable than the price of any pistol. In some cultures you literally can claim ownership of someone you save for a time. (some weird karma honor thing)


I think I'll choose the gun that works the best when my life is on the line. That's either my modded Glock, or my most expensive custom 1911. Depending on the day.

I've had some bare bones GI type 1911's. They stink compared to the one I've spent time fixing up. I'm not going to carry an old school 1911 or a Sigma just to save money because my gun gets stolen after a shooting.

If I knew of a better, more effective weapon for CCW than what I currently carry, I'm going to try to get my hands on one. Too expensive? Need to sell my spare car, turn off cable, kick out my money siphon girlfriend? So be it.

If my guns are stolen by the PD after a shooting, and I survive, I'll just buy another. Big deal. I'm still ALIVE and thrilled about it. And generally, in free American states, you get to keep your gun after a good shoot. IE: a shoot were you don't get carted off in cuffs.

A dead guy isn't going to be happier that his cheap gun got stolen by the PD than a living guy who has had his expensive gun stolen by the PD.

Price should not be criteria.

Whether or not a gun is best suited to keep you alive is valid criteria to choose with. If you can't work the stiff trigger of a Keltec, maybe a nicer gun would be suitable.

So let me ask you this, not to single you or anyone out.........


Is your current gun that you use for CCW or HD the best, most effective gun for you? Is there a more expensive gun that would improve your shooting?


If the answer is no. Then carry on.
If the answer is yes........then whats stopping you from upgrading.
I think the main point he was making is he doesn't feel the need to carry an expensive weapon, when a fairly cheap pistol will do the same job. Why drive a BMW to work when a Chevy will get me there just the same. Carry what you like, but it doesn't need to be fancy to save your life. My life is worth $3000 to me. So is a nice TV, but if I can get a TV that will do the same job for $500, it'd be silly not to do so. :)

I wouldn't fault anyone for choosing to carry an expensive pistol. After all, it's not my money. I would expect the same in return, that's all.
 
Zerodefect,

As I stated in my post, I do get it....it's about saving your life.

FWIW I'm a hardcore 1911....1911a1 guy.
My home defense/personal firearm is a Springfield Armory bare-bones 1911a1 .45acp. It is a gun that cost me exactly $539.00 plus tax. It is absolutely reliable......I trust it to save my life with out question. The 1911a1 platform can be had in all price ranges....from $400 to well above $3000. Every one of them utterly reliable. Military men have trusted their lives for generations to the 1911/1911a1.

My recently purchased bare-bones WW1 repro Colt 1911 cost twice what the SA cost.....Function/reliability/caliber/mag cap are identical to the lesser expensive SA.

The more expensive Colt DOES NOT improve my shooting ability at all. It would not be as easy to replace as a SA GI because Colt don't make them anymore. For me personally the Colt was an outrageous purchase....but I HAD to have it and I do not want to have to repeat it. Heck, I would'nt want to have to surrender the SA GI either for that matter.
I have a few beautifully blued older S&W revolvers also that I would not choose as CCW or home defense because they cannot be replaced as S&W don't make them the same way anymore.


I realize now that I'm talking about guns that fall more into the realm of "collectables"....but it doesn't matter. I'm not saying one should carry or use a cheap junk gun to protect life......but that one does not have to spend over $600 to have something they can rely on.

I hope I'm never involved in a self defense shooting situation, but I can say this: If some thug with a Tec-9 means to do me & mine harm.......there is no way I'd feel that the situation is going to automatically go in my favor just because my gun is better made than his. A justified self defense shooting is just that......a shooting.....and shootings are horribly un-predictable no matter how skilled you are with an expensive/inexpensive gun.

With all due respect, I stand by my own opinions.


Best wishes,
Russ
 
For under 600$ you could have a brand new: Glock, smithy m&p, springfield xd, styer, RIA, keltec, ruger sr series etc. All these mentioned fire arms are great and reliable.
Glocks, m&p's, xd's all will run you around 550ish depending on where you live. They will all go bang when you pull the trigger. All fine choices.
The ruger sr guns are going at about 440 at my local gun shop and are also fine weapons(even tho the camlock pin kept falling out of the frame upon firing)
The RIA1911 is really reliable for 450.
And last but not least the kel tec(I'm speaking for the pf9 only. Its the only keltec I have experience with) I walked away with new one for 292 dollars and its never had any kind of failure through its first 600 rounds.
I'm not a gun snob but I would stay away from Taurus. The pt709 slim I bought my wife gave us nothing but problems....problems that persisted well after the "break in" period.
 
My Bersa .380 can be had for 300 or less in the current version and I didn't break the bank on my S&W 442. My M&P .40c was just under 600 but I'll trust it anyway. :)

Clutch
 
Glocks cost under $600 AND for military and cops often under $400...More cops in the US than not trust their life on them every day!
 
I have several ruger single actions that were purchase in the $300 - $500 range. Whe I have not been able to confirm this on a living subjuct I am under the impression that if some one is shot from one it would probably sting a bit.

I guess I could get a custom blue job and some ivory grips for it and push the total cost above the $600 mark just to be on the safe side. I would hate to know that my life could have been save if I had just spent a little more money on it
 
If you keep an eye out you can find a new Glock or a used one. Law enforcement officers and civilians alike trust their lives to this gun everyday. I have also seen used Sigs for around $600.
 
It just so happens that the one, single handgun I own that cost me over 600.00 is also the only one (having been shot more than 1k times) that has never had a malfunction (other than one that was clearly ammo-related - a defective cartridge that couldn't even fit in the chamber). This is including the 2 revolvers I own.

It is a Glock. G21SF. Came to $650 after taxes. The 2 Glocks I purchased for less than 600 dollars have both jammed. There's your anecdotal evidence. :)
 
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Military and LEO get any Glock for $398 with their discount program through certain dealers.. I have bought two.
 
Ummmm.....hello, Glock anybody? LOL

My LC9, SP101, and Beretta 92 were all under $600. My Taurus 1911 was a little over. I would trust all of them to defend myself.
 
The gun I trust my life on is just over $600 NIB at my gun store. Therefore, $600 is the minimum anyone must pay.

Those of you must see the fallacy with my logic (however, the gun I carry did actually cost me just over $600).
 
My family and I trust our lives everyday to my $300 sigma :).
BUT, it would be nice if I could trust my life to that $3500 nighthawk I've been drooling over!
As long as my guns go bang when I want then to, and fit my needs, the cost is just a number, it doesn't mean anything.
 
I paid $170 for a brand new Russian Makarov in 1999. 3000+ rounds later it has never had a stoppage.
 
So a couple of guys at work and i were talking about pistols and the comment was made by both "there is no pistol that cost under $600 that you can trust your life with" What is your do you think of this statement and if you think its false what would you suggest for pistols under $600??? (I was looking at a taurus 24/7 G2 is it a good choise?)
I'm picking up $300 one later today. I got good feedback about it and hope it proves reliable with my pet factory load which is Federal 'Classic' 115gr JHP. I would stay away from inexpensive small plastic framed guns. When you pick one up you will realize there is not much there.
 
Price does not always reflect quality. Build a Bryco-Jennings out of gold and it becomes VERY expensive. but, it is still a Bryco-Jennings. FEG PA-63's are very inexpensive, under $300, but are very good guns. As are Kel-Tec's, Armscor 1911's, some S&W's, Glocks (even though I wouldn't trust one), Taurus', and Rugers.

Inexpensive dosen't always mean CHEAP, and likewise, expensive dosen't always mean quality.
None of my handguns cost over $400, and my CCW only cost me $200 used. Kel-Tec P-11, 12rds 9mm 124gr Federal Hydra-Shoks. Every round, on target, every time!
 
I didn't pay 600 for either my XD45, XD9, or XDm 40. One of them is on belt everyday. I own two other autos I no longer carry on duty: Kimber Tactical Custom II and a Colt Defender. Neither of them was anywhere near 600; in fact they were both well over. I trust them but no longer carry them daily.
 
I trust my life and my families everyday with my 95g Hornady XTP reloads and my CZ82, FEG PA-63 or P64.

I have all the Glocks/S&W/MD's etc. I carry my MilSurps with my reloads.

My buddies made fun of the Makarov round (called it a .380 pea popper)until we all shot a dead hog with them. They shot it with their 124g 9mm Lugers and I shot it with my 92g XTP Mak rounds. Could not tell the difference in the wound channel nor depth of penetration.
 
The cost of a firearm has nothing to do with its reliability. I
found this out with my $1,000+ Sig 229 Equinox and my $1,000+
Kimber both of which I am happy to no longer own.
 
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