buzz-knox, you might be right but maybe this evidence will change your mind.
Preliminary results from a test designed to determine the source of flashes on an infrared video at the end of the Branch Davidian siege near Waco strongly suggest they were caused by sunlight and heat from FBI tanks reflecting off debris - and not government gunfire, an investigator said.
A preliminary report submitted this month by court-appointed British experts did show that flashes were clearly visible on a test infrared video recording from weapons ranging from assault rifles to shotguns, other sources said.
But the test video also recorded distinct flashes from tank exhaust and sunlight reflecting off ground debris, and gunmen firing each of the weapons were always visible on the test video, according to sources who have reviewed the report by Vector Data Research.
Flashes from gunfire on the test video were also far shorter in duration, lasting at most one-fiftieth of a second while those from debris lasted up to 19 times as long, the sources said.
"The length of the April 19 flashes are consistently much longer than what you would see from muzzle blasts," said a government investigator, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "Their duration is far closer to what you saw being generated by debris in the field test."
"There is now clear evidence to suggest that whatever caused those flashes on April 19, it wasn't guns," said the investigator. "It appears from their preliminary report that Vector is going to be systematically eliminating all of the glints as coming from muzzle blast on April 19, 1993."
"The weapons that were used and the way the test was conducted was something that was agreed on by everyone," Danforth said. Ten days before the test, Brad Swenson of Danforth's office wrote Caddell to say that on the FBI's recommendation, testers would only use one type of M-16.
List and Expert Analysis on source of ALL flashes. (57)
Passive Specular Solar Reflections (PSSR)
8 Master Event List And Vds (UK) Analysis
VDS (UK)[NL]Serial Time Event Alleged gunfire VDS (UK) Analysis and Flash Durations (seconds) Report Figure Number
1 10:53:24[PARA]to[PARA]10:53:25 Black side &.Flashes in water at deep end of pool PSSRs from water 5
2 10:54:21 Red side &.Flash at damaged structure (below window B2) PSSRs from debris amongst damage (30.13,0.20) 17,52
3 11:05:50[PARA]to[PARA]11:05:52 Green/White side&.Flashes near a dome-roofed water storage tank PSSRs from very low emissivity material on the ground (1.00, 0.87) 6, 7
4 11:14:10 Red side &.flash at damaged structure (below window B2) PSSRs from debris[PARA](0.03, 0.07, 0.03) 18
5 11:18:21[PARA]to[PARA]11:18:23 Black side &.flash from left rear hull of CEV-2 4Alleged Government Gunfire PSSRs from debris on CEV[PARA](0.90) 37
6 11:18:48 Black side &Flash at demolished corner of Gym Side panelling pushed out by CEV-2. Top edge movement of resultant debris depicted (0.53)
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7 11:23:25 Black side &Flash near left rear of CEV-2, close to Gym Alleged Government Gunfire[PARA]ATR from debris on ground[PARA](0.20) 39
8 11:24:30[PARA]to[PARA]11:24:32 Black side &.Flashes directly to the rear of the CEV-2 Alleged Government Gunfire[PARA]ATR from debris on ground, CEV passes directly over it (0.30) 40
9 11:24:50[PARA]to[PARA]11:24:51 Black side &Flashes from window B3 or B4 overlooking Cafeteria roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire from window PSSRs from debris on roof (0.13, 0.20) 24
10 11:25:02 Red side &Flash on Chapel roof Alleged Government Gunfire or Government Flash Bang PSSRs from debris on roof (0.13, 0.03, 0.07, 0.03) 20
11 11:25:04 Red side &Flash on Chapel roof Alleged Government Gunfire[PARA]PSSRs from debris on roof (0.10) 21
VDS (UK)[NL]Serial Time Event Alleged gunfire VDS (UK) Analysis and Flash Durations (seconds) Report Figure[NL]number
12 11:26:27 Black side &Flashes near rear right drive sprocket of CEV 2 Alleged government gunfire [PARA]ATR from debris on ground[PARA](0.03, 0.03) 41
13 a. 11:28:04 to 11:28:07 [PARA]b. 11:28:13 to [PARA]11:28:14 Green side &Flashes in Courtyard in front of Residential Tower Alleged Government Gunfire[PARA]PSSRs from falling debris as CEV-2 penetrates Gym (a. image fault, 0.03, 0.07, 0.10, b. 0.70) 31
14 a. 11:28:18 [PARA]b. 11:28:21 Black side &Flashes from window B4 overlooking Cafeteria roof. Also on roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire from window PSSRs from debris on roof in all cases (a.0.10, b.0.27) 24
15 11:28:22 Black side &Flashes on Cafeteria roof PSSRs from debris on roof (0.27) 24
16 a. 11:30:08 [PARA]b. 11:30:14 Green side &.Flashes (weak) in Courtyard in front of Residential Tower PSSRs from fallen Gym debris (a. multiple 0.03, b. multiple 0.03) 31
17 11:30:26 Black side &. Flashes on Cafeteria roof. Also from window B3 overlooking Cafeteria roof Alleged Davidian gunfire from window PSSRs from debris on roof in all cases (0.40, 0.30) 25
18 11:34:32 Green side &.Flash in Courtyard in front of Residential Tower Alleged Government Gunfire[PARA]PSSRs from fallen Gym Debris (0.27) 31
19 11:34:32 Green side &Alleged man running from destroyed NE corner of Gym to dive platform at corner of Swimming Pool Alleged Government Agent[PARA]Wind blown debris material from damaged gym 32
20 11:34:33 Black side &.flashes on Cafeteria roof PSSRs from debris on roof (0.10) 26
21 11:34:45 Red side &.Flash on Chapel roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire[PARA]PSSRs from debris on the roof [PARA](0.40, 0.30) 21
22 11:38:31 Black side &. Flash 15 feet in front of CEV-2 Alleged Government Gunfire PSSRs from fallen debris (0.37) 43
23 11:38:45 Black side &. Flash at black spot at innermost penetration CEV-2 into Gym Alleged Government Gunfire[PARA]PSSRs from fallen Gym debris (0.73) 42
24 11:42:00 [PARA]to 11:42:01 Red side &Flash at damaged structure (below window B2) PSSRs from debris amongst damage (0.07, 0.07, 0.07) 18
VDS (UK)[NL]Serial Time Event Alleged gunfire VDS (UK) Analysis and Flash Durations (seconds) Report Figure[NL]number
25 11:43:33 White side &Flash on single-storey Quarters roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire[PARA]PSSRs from debris on roof (0.27) 10
26 11:43:35 to 11:43:38 White side &.Flashes from window B5 overlooking single-storey Quarters roof Alleged Davidian gunfire from window PSSRs from very low emissivity material (0.30, 0.37, 0.47, 0.23) 10
27 11:44:48 Black side &.Flash on Cafeteria roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire towards CEV-2 or Courtyard[PARA]PSSRs from debris on roof (0.17) 26
28 11:44:52[PARA]to 11:44:53 Black side &Flash on Cafeteria roof _ then flash Residential Tower window C3 followed by multiple flashes on roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire towards CEV-2 or Courtyard [PARA]PSSRs from debris at base of Tower and on roof of Cafeteria [PARA](0.17, 0.17, 0.17,0.03) 26,
29 11:45:15 to 11:45:24 White side &flashes on single-storey Quarters roof (at flag pole end) Alleged Davidian Gunfire towards CEV 1 PSSRs from debris on roof (0.13, 0.27, 0.30) 10
30 11:46: 32 to 11:46:33 Black side &.Flash on ground at base of Residential Tower. Also on Cafeteria roof twice. PSSRs from debris at base of Tower and on roof of Cafeteria (0.13, 0.10) 27,29
31 11:46:34 Green side&.Flash in Courtyard Alleged Government Gunfire PSSRs from fallen Gym debris[PARA](0.23) 33
32 11:46:36 Black side &Flash from window B4 overlooking Cafeteria roof PSSRs from debris on roof (0.03) 26
33 11:46:43 Black side &Flash from Residential Tower window C1 Alleged Davidian Gunfire towards CEV 2 PSSRs from debris at base of Tower (0.13) 29
34 11:47:05 White side &Flash from window B5 overlooking single-storey Quarters roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire towards CEV-1 PSSRs from debris on roof (0.23) 11
35 11:48:14 Black side &Flash from window[PARA]B4 or from Cafeteria roof PSSRs from debris on roof (0.23) 28
36 11:49:01 to 11:49:07 White side &Flashes from window. B5/B6 overlooking single-storey Quarters roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire towards CEV-1 PSSRs from debris on roof (0.43, 0.17, 0.33, 0.20, 0.33) 11,12
37 11:50:17 Black side&.Flash in Courtyard _ near base of Residential Tower PSSRs from debris on ground (0.23) 29
VDS (UK)[NL]Serial Time Event Alleged gunfire VDS (UK) Analysis and Flash Durations (seconds) Report Figure[NL]number
38 11:50:27 Black side&Flash from Residential Tower window C1 Alleged Davidian Gunfire[PARA]PSSRs from debris on roof (0.37) 30
39 11:50:59 to 11:51:04 White side &Flashes from window B5 overlooking single-storey Quarters roof. Also on roof near flag pole. Alleged Davidian Gunfire towards CEV-1 PSSRs from debris on roof (0.40, 0.27, 0.27) 12, 13
40 11:55:46 to 11:55:47 White side &Flashes from windows B5 and also B6 overlooking single-storey Quarters roof Alleged Davidian Gunfire PSSRs from debris on roof (0.33, 0.37, 0.33, 0.50) 13
41 11:57:26 to 11:57:28 White side &Flashes from window B5 overlooking single-storey Quarters roof. Also on roof. Alleged Davidian Gunfire towards CEV1 PSSRs from debris on roof (0.20, 0.33, 0.33) 14
42 11:58:04 White side &.``Flash from damaged window B11 as CEV-1 withdraws from main door Movement of debris out of shadow (0.47) 16
43 11:59:03 White side &Flashes on single-storey Quarters roof. Also on roof near damaged area. Movement of debris out of shadow (0.40, 0.23) 14
44 12:00:40 Black side &Flash from several yards behind CEV-2 Alleged Government Flashbang, alternatively, alleged Davidian [PARA]Gunfire[PARA]PSSRs from very low emissivity material (0.47) 14
45 12:01:06 Red Side &Flashes on ground in front of Chapel PSSRs from debris on ground (0.20) 22
46 12:05:13 to 12:05:16 White side&Flashes from windows B5 and also b6 overlooking single storey Quarters roof Alleged Davidian gunfire towards an M2 Bradley MICV[PARA]PSSRs from debris on roof (8, 0.33,0.13,0.33,0.57) 45
47 12:07:43 White side &second floor window at tower end Active Thermal Signature emanating from inside building 51
48 12:07:51 to 12:07:56 Red side &Alleged heat source at second floor window B1 at white corner Active Thermal Signature emanating from inside building _ seen through damaged window 53
49 12:08:26 Black side &First `hot return from cafeteria/kitchen entrance Probable seat of a fire _ separate from that at Red/White corner (Serial 48)
VDS (UK)[NL]Serial Time Event Alleged gunfire VDS (UK) Analysis and Flash Durations (seconds) Report Figure[NL]number
50 12:08:31 Black side&Long duration flashes from within Gym Alleged Government Weapon Discharge PSSRs from Walkway-window which has dropped onto Gym Debris (0.80) 45
51 12:08:50 Green side&Flash near corner of damaged Gym (close to Tower) Alleged Government Gunfire PSSRs from fallen Gym debris (0.80) 34
52 12:08:51 Black side &Flashes next to CEV-2 at Gym Alleged Government Gunfire PSSR from debris on ground (0.17, 0.10) 46
53 12:09:00 Green side &Flash on lean-to roof at side of Chapel Alleged Government Gunfire PSSRs from fallen window glass (the window under the Satellite Dish) Possibly blown out as a result of the fire. (0.23) 47
54 12:09:23 Green side &Flash from Inner-Courtyard to right of Residential Tower Alleged Government Gunfire [PARA]ATR (as a result of the fire) from debris on ground (0.13) 36
55 12:10:21 Black side &`Hot return from rear of collapsed Walkway at Gym Probably resulting from the spread of fire on Red side 54
56 12:10:50 White side &Person lying on single-storey Quarters roof (near flag pole) Can be discriminated due to strong object/background tonal variances 55
57 12:11:00 to[PARA]12:11:23 Green side&Multiple flashes in debris in Courtyard Alleged Government Gunfire[PARA]ATR (as a result of the fire) from debris on ground 35