ZombiesAhead
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I have put plenty of rounds through my GP-10 WASR AK-47-type rifle. I was basically minute-of-man accurate at 100 yards sitting on a rickety picnic table bench with a rickety 2 x 4 supporting the gun by the mag. I was less accurate standing using a steady-sling. I was using crap black post and notch iron sights.
I then acquired a Bushmaster AR-15 with Carbine-Length iron-sight radius. I can make 25/30 head-shots (actually head-sized stuffed animals) standing with a steady sling at 25 yards. I can follow up shots nearly immediately without having to completely re-acqure my sight picture.
I then added a PK-AS left-offset red-dot to the WASR hoping that it may just be the HORRIBLE iron sights on the AK that were throwing me off. I am now consistently minute-of-torso accurate at 100 yards but the recoil throws me off after each shot.
I use steel-case wolf in both the AR-15 and the WASR.
Why am I so bad with the AK?
a. The 7.62's recoil causing follow-up-shots to require completely re-acquiring the sight picture? I find this a serious problem causing more than twice the time in between shots as with an AR. If I don't take this time, I get sloppy and blow the follow-up.
b. The terrible iron sights and maybe a not-properly sighted in PK-AS side-mount optic? I had a guy at an indoor range tell me the red-dot seemed sighted in "good enough for an AK" (at 50 yards).
c. A bad WASR? Everything looks good to me. I don't understand what could be so horribly wrong. The rifling is correct. The problem occurs both with irons (potentially canted, but look good) and the red-dot.
d. Ergonomics? I find the lighter AR much easier to manipulate.
For an average to below-average shooter, do these results sound right? I am not a marksman nor an internet-marksman but I just can't believe the groups some claim to get with their WASR's...
I want to love the AK as I value reliablility in a SHTF gun over long-range accuracy but this seems like people on the internet may be blowing the AK's capabilities (due to many factors that come into play out-side of a vice rest) out of proportion. Honestly, I can't say that resting it on the mag or from a prone position I can do much better than 12 MOA consistently with several different batches of Wolf steel-case 7.62x39.
I am confident I can hit a torso in 1-2 shots with the AK at 100 yards. I haven't tried such accuracy with the AR but it feels so much more right. Is anyone else with me on this or am I just totally missing something in my marksmanship technique?
I then acquired a Bushmaster AR-15 with Carbine-Length iron-sight radius. I can make 25/30 head-shots (actually head-sized stuffed animals) standing with a steady sling at 25 yards. I can follow up shots nearly immediately without having to completely re-acqure my sight picture.
I then added a PK-AS left-offset red-dot to the WASR hoping that it may just be the HORRIBLE iron sights on the AK that were throwing me off. I am now consistently minute-of-torso accurate at 100 yards but the recoil throws me off after each shot.
I use steel-case wolf in both the AR-15 and the WASR.
Why am I so bad with the AK?
a. The 7.62's recoil causing follow-up-shots to require completely re-acquiring the sight picture? I find this a serious problem causing more than twice the time in between shots as with an AR. If I don't take this time, I get sloppy and blow the follow-up.
b. The terrible iron sights and maybe a not-properly sighted in PK-AS side-mount optic? I had a guy at an indoor range tell me the red-dot seemed sighted in "good enough for an AK" (at 50 yards).
c. A bad WASR? Everything looks good to me. I don't understand what could be so horribly wrong. The rifling is correct. The problem occurs both with irons (potentially canted, but look good) and the red-dot.
d. Ergonomics? I find the lighter AR much easier to manipulate.
For an average to below-average shooter, do these results sound right? I am not a marksman nor an internet-marksman but I just can't believe the groups some claim to get with their WASR's...
I want to love the AK as I value reliablility in a SHTF gun over long-range accuracy but this seems like people on the internet may be blowing the AK's capabilities (due to many factors that come into play out-side of a vice rest) out of proportion. Honestly, I can't say that resting it on the mag or from a prone position I can do much better than 12 MOA consistently with several different batches of Wolf steel-case 7.62x39.
I am confident I can hit a torso in 1-2 shots with the AK at 100 yards. I haven't tried such accuracy with the AR but it feels so much more right. Is anyone else with me on this or am I just totally missing something in my marksmanship technique?