Capacity? Yes, please.

[DT Guy]

Why does it matter what anyone else carries? Why should anyone care?

You don't want to carry a snubbie, don't! It's that simple. Carry what YOU feel comfortable with and don't concern yourself with what others choose to carry.

People are gong to make their choices based on their own personal likes, proficiency and lifestyle. A smart person will form his tactics around what he chooses to carry. The person who is limited to 5 or 6 rounds in his snubby hopefully knows that he can't engage in a gunfight that would be a good scene in an action movie. That person likely knows that his best option if confronted with that situation is to break contact, not stand and fight.

Well Jeff, it's a discussion forum, right?

Wouldn't we be expected to discuss stuff? The discourse that reveals the truth, and all that? Or have I been doing this wrong?

Larry

 

[aaaaa]

You haven't seen the news reports of cars FULL of carjackers (largely in CA) stopping random folks and attacking them to get their vehicles?

I have.

https://kutv.com/news/local/multiple-agencies-involved-in-pursuit-of-alleged-carjacking-suspect

https://www.fox23.com/news/trending...t-wife-police-say/VU5XHHM24JAJNJ53Z5ZQP7BD5I/

https://www.fox29.com/news/suspecte...ng-could-be-linked-to-dozens-more-source-says

https://abc30.com/oakland-carjacking-wedding-dress-stolen-opd-woman-attacked/11711423/

Now to be fair, I'm not sure if any of the victims were named 'Johnson.'


Larry

People do strange things. In that last video, after the woman was thrown to the ground and her keys taken, she gets up and moves towards the car and perps. She should have run and dove for cover.

 

[JCooperfan1911]

It was so sad that the retired firefighter stepped clear of good, hard cover, to continue the engagement, an action which put him into the path of the fleeing bad actor’s gunfire. The J-snub had been enough gun to put the attackers to flight. The battle had been won.

So easy to Monday morning quarterback.

Who knows what he was thinking. His mind was probably going a million miles a minute.

I agree that the J-frame WAS enough gun in that situation. He could have had an M60 and he just got unlucky from the “urban youth” as they bailed out. Granted, breaking cover n’ concealment wasn’t the best choice, but again the extreme stress of the situation could of happened to anyone.

 

[citizenconn]

Having 17 rounds doesn't seem like much in this situation.

Bingo! In the Houston area where I live, the baddies are increasingly attacking in groups of 3-4. Even when I am driving I have quick access to a loaded pistol and loaded extra mags. If I have to bail out for some reason I have a pack with another pistol and mags and a folding AR pistol with several mags. I don't want to be out of ammo with bad guys still standing.

 

[citizenconn]

When situations like the OP's start happening to Bob and Brenda Johnson while walking back to the car in the Applebee's parking lot, I will reassess.

This is exactly what is happening on a weekly basis in the Houston area where I live. There was a recent high profile case where an off duty policeman visiting from New Orleans was shot and killed while dining at the outside patio at a fine restaurant in the Galleria.

Dozens of other cases where these same crews are following shoppers home from the Galleria, up to 50 or more miles in some cases, and robbing them as they get out of their cars to go into their houses.

 

[citizenconn]

It's pretty clear what we are discussing are such rare occurrences that "hard data" probably isn't realistic.

There is plenty of hard data in the last few months of the Houston Chronicle.

 

[Old Dog]

Next to caliber choice, capacity seems to be the other topic gun people tend to way over-think.

But another thing I notice is that some seem to believe that they can take on three, four or five adversaries, presumably with at least a couple of them armed, and manage to take them all out (or get them to flee) because they're carrying a concealed handgun, especially if they have lots of rounds on tap...

That's just not how it always works. Even if you have enough capacity in your chosen carry gun to fire 17 or 18 rounds... And does everyone here train to go one on three, one on four, one on five in a gunfight? Especially if one is pumping gas with his handgun in a pocket or holster? Or seated in a motor vehicle?

I don't want to be out of ammo with bad guys still standing.

That's not the reason I carry a handgun with more capacity. But if I have to give up my vehicle, cell phone or wallet because I was lacking in situational awareness, allowed myself to be taken by surprise and was not able to access my firearm, it doesn't matter how many rounds I can fit in my pistol's magazine or how many reloads I carry. Sometimes there's no shame in running away.

I just want to be the one still standing.

 

[fastbolt]

I am still interested in hearing a report on any civilian who has been killed due to only having a J-frame revolver. I have never personally heard that ever happening to a normal citizen.

I remember it happening once, in a neighboring jurisdiction, more than 30 years ago. Involved a home invasion robbery. The deceased missed with all his shots, as I recall.

It didn't prevent me from continuing to carry a J-frame off-duty. It did, however, make me spend more range time running drills with my J's over the years.

As with all gear-related questions, just because someone else may not have utilized a specific bit of gear to best advantage, it doesn't necessarily make me wish to discard my own use of the same gear.

 

[fastbolt]

Next to caliber choice, capacity seems to be the other topic gun people tend to way over-think.

But another thing I notice is that some seem to believe that they can take on three, four or five adversaries, presumably with at least a couple of them armed, and manage to take them all out (or get them to flee) because they're carrying a concealed handgun, especially if they have lots of rounds on tap...

That's just not how it always works. ...

Yep. Gun enthusiasts seem to enjoy discussing all manner of attributes of their favorite gun(s), ammunition, etc. It's always easier to discuss and argue the purported merits of make/model, caliber, finish, capacity, features (manual safety v. no manual safety, etc), size, weight, and so on ... than to discuss the ability of any particular owner/user to actually use the gear under stress and duress.

It's always easy to argue about some feature or attribute being an 'advantage' in some hypothetical situations and set of circumstances. The old, 'prove I'm wrong' response is easy to use, and it comforts some folks who want to validate their own preferences. Hey, let folks do as they wish (presuming it's not unlawful, or violates some employment requirement or policy). Folks make the wrong choices for circumstances every day, and sometimes they pay for it with their lives. Sometimes the wrong choice is offset by luck, or someone else making an even worse wrong choice. Timing might offset a bad choice, too. Sometimes the best 'right' choice simply doesn't prove to be an advantage, after all. Them's the breaks.

Make your best informed choice, and hope for the best. Might happen. Might not.

Just don't ignore the owner/user end of the equation, hoping that 'more' or 'better' gear (incl ammo) will prove to be a guarantee that makes the the difference. Life seems to be unpredictable that way.