card carrying liberals on THR?

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rantingredneck

I am a conservative, but I voted once for Clinton. I voted for Bush twice, though I wish I had other choices.

I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd ammendment, however felons and lunatics shouldn't have firearms.

I personally abhor the thought of abortion, but it's not MY choice to make for YOU.

I could care less who you want to marry and I think the state should too. Gay marriage, plural marriage, I really don't care.

I am religious, but I hate people who are preachy about it.

I am fiscally conservative, but also believe that the truly disabled should be supported. Not to say there aren't some people out there bilking the system. I've seen it.

I supported the War in Iraq (along with about 80% or so of the population according to the polls at the time), but now I believe we've been there too long and accomplished too little. In hindsight it was ill-advised.

I don't smoke marijuana or use any illegal drugs, but personally think most should be legalized. Alcohol and nicotine kill far more people each year but they are both legal. Go figure.

Does that give you some insight into my twisted political views?
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You voted for Clinton

You believe in restrictions on gun ownership

You're pro choice for abortion

You're pro gay marriage

You're against religious freedom of speech

You're pro welfare/nanny state

Anti-war

Think drugs should be legal

You call yourself a Conservative? :confused: I must be in the wrong party. I disagree with everything you stand for and I'm a Republican. I wonder if the dimocrat party will take me?:uhoh:
 
Suicide bombers are not people, we can't hang them so f-em, let them rot in Gitmo.
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I do not think many successful suicide bombers are in Gitmo - unless there is an afterlife version.
 
I do not think many successful suicide bombers are in Gitmo - unless there is an afterlife version.
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I was implying people who initiate that sort of thing, but good catch there scooter.
 
I wasn't trying to derail my own thread with the subject of abortion. I was simply giving reasons why I will never vote for a Democrat unless Traficant gets out of prison and runs for president. He is a true American who really gets it. I posted a link earlier to his famous one minute speeches. I encourage any of you to read through them. I'm not really up on his trial and conviction but from what I've read, he was railroaded. Even his fellow demcrats hated him because he was calling congress out on the bastardization of our consitution.

The reason I asked if the liberals on here were union members is because their union interests usually trump all others. My mother was a diehard NEA member. She votes lockstep with the Democrat party and is too blind to see that the degredation of our schools is directly related to Democrat policy. My father was a UAW member. I think he leans more republican but votes for both.

I can't stand labor unions. They are nothing more than government sanctioned extortion tools. Can I legally block your entry into your house to prevent you from bringing in food, water or other goods? How in the world does a union have a right to block entry of goods or non union workers or scabs as you would call them into a place of business? I've talked to union members who said they would dump scab equipment into a lake if a company hired scab labor. That is nothing more than extortion.

The Democrat party breeds class envy and I will have no part of it. I'm middle class. I know that I'm where I am because of the choices I've made, not because some rich man is holding me down.
 
TennTucker,

Since you are having fun with personal attacks, you're welcome to also take shots at my beliefs:

I voted for Perot because he was the only one of three candidates who would even talk about reality. Voting is tedious when you can't distinguish TweedleDee from TweedleDum without political party labels.

I support the Second Amendment, but felons and lunatics obviously can't be allowed to possess weapons while incarcerated or committed.

Nothing in the Constitution gives the federal government power over abortion. Abortion is an issue for individuals and states.

Nothing in the Constitution gives the federal government power over marriage. Marriage is an issue for individuals and religious groups.

I support Constitutional rights, even when I abhor the way in which some people exercise those rights (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church).

I was fully in favor of invading Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein and am equally against the misuse of the military in extended "police actions."

Only busybodies should care what other people ingest.

Finally, I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican - I think for myself.
 
I feel what we have here in VA is a doubled edged sword. We have James Webb, decorated war vet. pro 2nd ammend, pro vet rights and he's on the right side of the of the amnesty bill. Voting him in office helped make Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House. However since he's not a liberal his vote on bills will be the same as having a Republican in there. I'm willing to bet if you look at his idea's and Ron Paul's, they probaly have a lot in common. For the record I voted for Allen but if Webb stays like he is he will probably have my vote in the future.
 
Voting him in office helped make Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House.
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Not really since Webb is in the Senate and not the House. However, I do agree that Webb is a good guy and in many ways more conservative than John Warner, the republican.
 
gc70

TennTucker,

Since you are having fun with personal attacks, you're welcome to also take shots at my beliefs:
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You have a reading comprehension problem?

I simply pointed out that the poster thinks of himself as a conservative and then displays his beliefs, which are about as conservative as Barrack Osama.
 
My take...

One quick note to Wheeler and the other "Warrantless Wiretap" foes...

The U.S. Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of warrantless searches targeting foreign powers or their agents within the US. There have been, however, a number of Circuit Court rulings[51] upholding the constitutionality of such warrantless searches. In USA v. Osama bin Laden, the Second Circuit noted that "no court, prior to FISA, that was faced with the choice, imposed a warrant requirement for foreign intelligence searches undertaken within the United States." Assistant Attorney General William Moschella in his written response to questions from the House Judiciary Committee explained that in the administration's view, this unanimity of pre-FISA Circuit Court decisions vindicates their argument that warrantless foreign-intelligence surveillance authority existed prior to FISA and since, as these ruling indicate, that authority derives from the Executive's inherent Article II powers, they may not be encroached by statute.

So, until the Supremes make the FINAL decision regarding these, the actions are legal.

Now, on to the show....

I am a Conservative and vote Republican as they are the group that represents me the best...not perfectly, but far better than the Democrat party. a list of issues...

2k, nod goes to the Republicans

Abortion, Don't honestly care what you do with your kids.

fiscal Responsibility, Republicans, normally they are better than they have been lately. Although Kennedy was not happy with the amount spent on the new Medicaid viagra plan, so begrudgingly go with the R on this.

Religion, im not religious

Gay Marriage, voted against it in Colorado as the law was designed to dip into my wallet. Plus, this does force others to accept what they may feel is morally wrong. Not interested if it forces others to recognize when they do not want to.

Immigration, HUGE no no and I made sure all my congress critters heard about this one. Republicans won the day on this.

So, the issues that I care about are better represented by the R party and I shall vote that way. I will work in the primaries to get the conservative candidate chosen, however. I don't like Rinos.
 
You have a reading comprehension problem?
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Once again, must you attack the person (whether through pejorative labels or snide questions about reading comprehension) because you can find no valid arguments against people who believe in limited government and personal freedoms?
 
Many people on this site call me a Liberal, but my very liberal friends call me a moderate or even conservative. I am a Independent who is pro choice and pro liberty on many issues. I don not just vote for one party since I am not a single issue voter, but one that needs to weight the candidates positions. Basically I am all over the political map. I believe most mainstream Republicans are not pro liberty as they say they are, but pro keeping corporations, and their investors happy. Which in the long run does little to help regular people. I believe strongly in protecting the Environment, and American workers. Though I don't really believe in Unions. As you can see I don't really fit in anywhere. And every election I am becoming more frustrated with the candidates in both parties. They are all Authoritarians who want to expand the federal government, and take more rights away from We the People, and give Corporations more power.
 
Many people are Democrats because they believe that the Republicans do not care about average, working people. I believe our country should care about veterans, the elderly, children, and working families. I think the Democrats have done more for those groups than anyone. I have also found that even with more social program spending, the Democrats are better managers of our tax dollars. Bill Clinton ran a balanced budget. The last president before him to have a balanced budget was LBJ, who did it while instituting his "war on poverty" while fighting the war in Vietnam at the same time. No Republican president since LBJ has had a balanced budget, in war time or peace. And I doubt any of them ever will. They don't seem to know how.
I know most people here disagree with me and will argue otherwise. That's ok, that's allowed here. But the thread asked why a THR member would vote Democrat. Those are my reasons in a nutshell.
 
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The wiretaps Bush is being criticized for would have been completely legal if he had followed up and gotten a post-facto warrant, as is allowed by law. The fact that he didn't makes it sloppy. No one has accused him of wiretapping any individual who would NOT have been given a warrant. (Except the ACLU, and they aren't naming any individuals.)

And evryone sems to be forgetting that no matter how intrusive this program is, it is less intrusive than the Eschelon program administered by the NSA under Bill Clinton.

I WANT my government monitoring the communications of EVERYONE who is a known hostile communicating with anyone in this nation. I promise you, the terrorists aren't naive enough to think for one second that we are respecting their privacy. I care much less about successful prosecution than I do about detecting and preventing terrorism. (Preferably with a hellfire missile.)

Under Terry v Ohio, it was ruled that police are allowed to search with less than probable cause in the interest of preventing imminent violence.

Do I LIKE the powers in the Patriot Act? Not really. But ask yourselves, how would Bush be criticized if he did absolutely nothing to increase surveillance of terrorists after 9-11? Here's why I can live with it. IT DOESN'T HAVE A PROVISION TO REGISTER AND/OR CONFISCATE MY GUNS. John Kerry, Bill and Hilary Clinton, Howard Dean, etc have all taken active steps to do this. It may be a fine distinction, but it's the only one we've got.

When the government no longer trusts me to be armed, I will no longer trust them to be my government. In the meantime, the Patriot Act will be eroded over time by lower court decisions.
 
The wire taps covered ALL cell communications.
ALL
That is why the NSA wanted the tel-co records of who had which numbers. This is the meta-data that would allow the word recognition programs they run against the taps ID who said what.
This is not tin hat, this is what is being done.
Call your granny on your cell, the NSA has that recorded.
...and no I am not a liberal, they are to my right. That is why I support the Constitution, I do not trust the government, based on their history.
 
I think all of you who are so fond of calling us "dimocrats," "dumbocrats," or any other number of immature epithets need to realize that without pro-gun liberals on your side, you are all going to be s*** out of luck. Who controls Congress? Who controls the majority of Governorships? Who controls the majority of state legislatures? I'll make it easy for you: Democrats.

I'm a Democrat, hell, I believe I'm even a dues paying member because of donations last fall. I'm not going to agree with conservatives on essentially any issue that modern day Republicans believe in. But the one thing I'm going to march in step with is guns. I notice that liberals here very rarely, if ever, call conservatives names. All I'm asking is that you all do the same and respect the one thing that brings us all to this message board, since frankly, you need us.
 
Push comes to shove I'm a ONE ISSUE VOTER....if you're against the 2A you don't get my vote.......the rest is gravy.

wrt Webb...he may be a good elected official but I sure wish he had an R next to his name instead of a D......that D put "B'Leader Pelosi" in power and she's more or less dictating how the House operates and thats a BAD thing.....she's your typical San Fran Democrat and her Collectivist/Socialist Beliefs/Agenda are very very bad.
 
Nil,

I'm a small-l libertarian. That means I can safely say, "A pox on both your houses!" I believe that people should be secure in their persons and property, free from any force or threat of force, unless they themselves initiate force or threat of force against someone else.

Considering that got me banned for life from FreeRepublic.com, I guess I'm at least partly on your side. Here's a word of encouragement, "liberaltarian" to "dimocrat"! :D

--Len.
 
wrt Webb...he may be a good elected official but I sure wish he had an R next to his name instead of a D......that D put "B'Leader Pelosi" in power and she's more or less dictating how the House operates and thats a BAD thing.....she's your typical San Fran Democrat and her Collectivist/Socialist Beliefs/Agenda are very very bad.
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No disagreement on Pelosi but electing a DEM Senator does not put a Dem in charge of the HOUSE. One has nothing to do with the other.
 
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No disagreement on Pelosi but electing a DEM Senator does not put a Dem in charge of the HOUSE. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Sorry, my bad Webb is a Senator.....my comment should have been directed at Reid not Pelosi.....

The Senate is currently 51-40 Dems/Reps and had Webb been a Republican instead of a Democrat we would not likely be experiencing so much BS in the Senate.

There would be less chance that Mikulski's 50 Cal Ban, or that whacko from NY's AWB would actually go anywhere because a Republican Led Senate would be less likely to allow it to come to a vote on the floor.
 
LOL, Me and Barack Obama. That's rich. :)

I'm for LIMITED government, not NO government. gc70 explained it well.

Thanks

You voted for Clinton Yep, sure did. Would've voted for Lieberman too over Bush if Al G. hadn't been on the ticket

You believe in restrictions on gun ownership For felons and those who have been adjudicated incompetent due to mental illness, yes. Don't you?

You're pro choice for abortion Personally I oppose it, but it's a state issue, not federal. Roe v. Wade was a bad SCOTUS ruling as would be any other ruling on abortion.

You're pro gay marriage State issue. Personally could care less.

You're against religious freedom of speech Not against religious freedom of speech. They can say whatever they want. Doesn't mean I have to listen. Preachy people in general just rub me the wrong way.

You're pro welfare/nanny state Nope. There's a difference between nanny state nonsense such as ruling what you can or can't do "For your own good" and believing that people who truly can't take care of themselves and have no family to take care of them should be assisted.

Anti-war Have no problem with our military intervening when there is a compelling national interest at stake. Post 9/11 and pre-Iraq War it seemed as if we had an interest there. Maybe the intel was wrong, maybe the WMD was moved out by the Russians. Who knows? At this point I can't see us doing much more good there given the current global situation.

Think drugs should be legal
Once again, making them illegal is an example of nannystate nonsense which you apparently abhor. I could care less what adults put into their bodies. Their choice. They can live with the consequences.
 
This is probably about the umteenth thread with exactly this subject and exactly the same arguments (and here I go again...)

frankly, you need us
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That's it, folks. The point I've been trying to make for years. Conservatives do not OWN the 2nd amendment, and it's a pretty good thing they don't, because so far they've been doing a pretty good job of losing it for the rest of us. The LaPierre junta is nothing but an obscene appendage of the Republican Party, and frankly, they've managed to do a pretty poor job of protecting our rights.

We have a two-party system, with often little distinguishing the two parties (did someone mention Tweedle-something?), that means you can count on both of the parties spending some time in power at some point in the future. To abandon one of those parties is foolish, to say the least.

The last person that tried to start a "1000 year reich" wasn't very successful, and no, I'm not talking about Karl Rove.

Finally, allow me to repeat one point for the 100th time. It amazes me how many posters talk about gun rights being the main reason for voting Republican and in the next breath wish the Republicans would nominate another Reagan. You folks really need to do your homework.
 
Considering that got me banned for life from FreeRepublic.com, I guess I'm at least partly on your side. Here's a word of encouragement, "liberaltarian" to "dimocrat"!
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I got kicked "FreeRepublic" too! I guess they just couldn't handle an opposing viewpoint.

I would say that I am a party of my own. I am a small l libertarian, with the exception that I am pro-life and pro-environment.
 
Full faith in just one party is a horrible thing to do. Just like how we restrict presidents to 2 terms, one party should not have indefinite rule. Don't be a single issue voter.
 
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