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Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics and Training' started by Good Ol' Boy, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. Good Ol' Boy

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    This topic is specific to drawing your CC piece while removing your cover garment for SD purposes.

    I initially used the two handed method but recently have been mainly using a single (strong hand) hand approach. I've noticed that done right it's not much slower but it does increase the possibility of a foul up. Still, for SD purposes, not games, it seems keeping the weak hand free during the draw makes sense.


    So, do you strictly use one method or the other, or practice both? Reasons why?
     
  2. entropy

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    I practice both. You may not always be able to use both hands.
     
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  3. Good Ol' Boy

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    Just to add, I realize the type of CG could make a difference. Again this is not theorizing "games" where most wear an unbuttoned shirt or jacket, although if that's your EDC dress don't be offended. I'm thinking more like solid tee-shirts or something you would have to lift up rather than brush back.

    Either way share your thoughts...
     
  4. Good Ol' Boy

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    I agree but...

    If you can master the one hand what reason would there be to practice two hands?
     
  5. RPZ

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    Depends where you are carrying and what you are wearing.
     
  6. entropy

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    Two hands is still faster. I wouldn't say I have one-handed mastered by any means....
     
  7. MedWheeler

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    Buttoned, but untucked shirt for me virtually all of the time. I've practiced the one-handed draw far more. The thumb hooks the cover garment upward as the hand comes into position from somewhat below.

    In this round of carrying (starting in 2008), I had an infant/toddler the first few years to carry also, so I considered the other hand as not available. It usually is now.
     
  8. FL-NC

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    Before I moved to the tropics, I carried strong-side OWB, normally covered up with a unbuttoned work short or fleece jacket. Sweep shirt, pop retention, present. You would be surprised at how easy it is to sweep aside a cover top that has a heavy duty zip-tie sewn inside of the button seam.
     
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  9. Corpral_Agarn

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    I practice using both two hands and one hand but prefer two hands.

    Imo the 2 handed draw gives me enough extra speed that it is worth it.

    The one handed draw, imo, is really most important when opening a door, turning a steering wheel, grabbing a loved one, etc. It also can work to create some space during a draw, but that can get tricky as it means the assailant(s) are almost on top of you.

    If the bad guy is already attacking uo close, it is likely that i will be trying to create distance with both hands then draw.

    It is very situational.

    Draw speed is the no. 1 reason i carry appendix. I dont carry appendix all the time but that is the reason i initially explored that option.
     
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  10. fastbolt

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    The use of 1 or 2 hands for a concealed draw-stroke is largely dependent on the garments being worn.

    I spent about 13 years before retirement in a plainclothes assignment. It wasn't UC, but a suit/sport/casual coat type of assignment. That meant I did a lot of practice clearing my coat (or coats, if a raincoat was also being worn) drawing 1-handed. During cooler weather, I also wore a fleece of jacket when working in my additional firearms instructor role (outside range), so it was an easy thing to do a lot of live-fire practice wearing that sort of cover garment when working range sessions.

    Now, off-duty, in colder weather, I'd sometimes find myself wearing a sweater/sweatshirt under a jacket. That necessitated becoming familiar and comfortable using 2 hands for the accessing the belt holstered gun for the draw-stroke. The off-hand did the lift for one garment and the strong hand did the usual sweep, reach and grasp draw from under the other garment.

    As with many things in life involving repetitive coordinated movements, it required a lot of successful properly executed repetitions in order to get things down to a smooth movement where I didn't have to stand there and think through the process step-by-step. It had to become reflexive if I was going to rely upon doing it while possibly having to do other things (crouch, step offline, lean back in a chair, twist away from something, etc).

    Well, hey, do you think you might need to do it ... or you might desperately need to do it right, and do it right the first time while you're trying to catch up with unexpected events?

    This is the sort of thing where a good instructor can help acquire the combination of movements involved, especially someone who's done it for a long time (meaning some thousands of properly executed, smooth repetitions).

    Do you have to stop and think your way through the process of unlacing your shoes, or just slipping off loafers? Does it make you stop and think if you're unlacing boot laces through eyelets or around hooks,versus just unzipping a side zipper or tugging off a Wellington boot? Or, have you done all of those things for so many repetitions that you automatically recognize which is needed, and how to do it without having to stop and consciously think about it?

    Does removing your wallet from an open rear pocket, a velcro tabbed rear pocket or a buttoned rear pocket stymy you, or do you automatically adjust and accomplish it with relative ease and smoothness because you know what pants or shorts you're wearing, and what's required to remove that wallet without fumbling it and tossing it away from you?

    If it's not a natural movement, what is it? ;)

    What do you want to be able to do in a high stress situation?
     
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  11. rpenmanparker

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    I don’t see how to reliably lift a closed garment without using the support hand.
     
  12. Curtism1

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    I try to practice many different scenarios when drawing from my EDC. When the SHTF you never know if both hands will be available or one might be busy defending yourself (strong or support hand). I firmly believe that one should practice manipulating your weapon with only the support hand along with all the other draw methods. I have never needed to draw for SD and I hope that day never comes, but being prepared for as many different scenarios as possible is good practice. Just don't practice with everything being a perfect world.
     
  13. Stevie-Ray

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    If it's a light jacket, it's quite easy for me using only the strong thumb. Heavy leather coats, however, CAN present a problem. (OWB, 3:30)
     
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  14. rpenmanparker

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    Closed?
     
  15. entropy

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    Yes, closed, too. Actually, I initially pull it up with the pinky and ring finger, then use the thumb to hold it up and simultaneously slip the thumb down for the draw. For heavier coats, I jam the thumb between the coat and shirt, push up, turn the wrist in, and draw. As I said, not quite as fast as two hands, but you can't always use two hands. It also telegraphs less, as one can do it bladed to the subject being drawn to without drawing as much attention, particularly if done slowly and deliberately, as if pulling a wallet out or such.
     
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  16. Rick McC.

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    One hand only, along with the scoop draw, regardless of type of cover garment.

    I much prefer to have the other hand available for whatever may be necessary.
     
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  17. Stevie-Ray

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    I use my whole hand for the heavy leathers, slipping it under the coat until it hits the wrist, which is then used for leverage. My leathers have a ribbed bottom, except for the duster, which is the only two-handed coat I own.
     
  18. ATLDave

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    What does a "scoop draw" mean in this context/your usage?
     
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